is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? i dont
have nbc :-\
Pocono lap-one crash and Rusty Wallace's role
Posters shared video of the Pocono crash involving Steve Park and Dale Earnhardt Jr. They debated whether Rusty Wallace caused it and failed to admit fault, while Tom Pabst defended Wallace as having made no avoidable error. Some suggested Park, after several bad crashes, should retire.
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http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/wc/07/28/crash_lapone/index.html
"frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? i dont
> have nbc :-\
>
>
>
If Steve Park was a cat - I think he may have used up all 9 lives. He's even
starting to sound like a boxer who's been hit in the head too many times. I
think he needs to get out while the gettin's good...
- David Cook
"Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/wc/07/28/crash_lapone/index.html
> "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? i dont
> > have nbc :-\
seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps instead of
grass between the track and the fences ?
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> is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? i dont
> have nbc :-\
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Gravel traps don't help much.
"Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message
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> seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps insteadof
dont
> > have nbc :-\
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> grass between the track and the fences ? > > -- > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]... > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? iMaybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if unsure. If
anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well.
"Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message
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> seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps insteadof
dont
> > have nbc :-\
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> grass between the track and the fences ? > > -- > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]... > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? iYep. Better than grass, but pavement slows a car down more than
anything.
Wider pavement + tire walls + humpy bumper = no more fatalities.
Jason
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:35:36 GMT, "Stuart Becktell"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
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>Gravel traps don't help much. >"Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message >news:3d45a325$0$10515$[email hidden]... >> seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps instead >of >> grass between the track and the fences ? >> >> -- >> The first ever pinball ezboard !! >> http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball >> >> >> "frederickson" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: >> Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]... >> > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? i >dont >> > have nbc :-\ >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear him
dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park and
Little E.
In fact he said he "thought he was clear....and wasn't. It was one of those
racing accidents that happen because we can't see down to the detail of
inches....and I was short of clearing by inches. Pocono....is not a place
where your spotter helps you much....they are too far away from the cars to
do that." [paraphrased]
From what I saw in video replays......his description is accurate. That's
not a "fault" incident...just a racing judgment incident...and that can
happen to any driver at any time....IMHO.
In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having "caused"
that accident....
Tom
"Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if unsure. If
> anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well.
>
> "Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message
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> > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel trapsinstead
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> of > > grass between the track and the fences ? > > > > -- > > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > > Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]... > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? i > dont > > > have nbc :-\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear him
> dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park and
> Little E.
I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to blame
Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault, the
fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was annoyed
because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the blame.
-Tim
Simple fix, put regular side view mirrors on the cars, then they have no
spotter to blame.
"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hearhim
> > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park and
> > Little E.
>
> I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to blame
> Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,the
> fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was annoyed
> because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass theblame.
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>
Sadly, I have to agree. That man's taken WAY too many hits.
I'd like to see him stay with DEI in some way, though. IMHO, he has "Taken
one for the team" enough times to warranty a little loyalty.
-Larry
"David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> If Steve Park was a cat - I think he may have used up all 9 lives. He'seven
> starting to sound like a boxer who's been hit in the head too many times.I
http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/wc/07/28/crash_lapone/index.html
> > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]...
> > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? idont
> > > have nbc :-\
>
>
>
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> think he needs to get out while the gettin's good... > > - David Cook > > "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:1Wg19.284655$[email hidden]... > >Rusty is not good at admitting fault. That's one of the things I don't like
about him.
Don't tell my mom, though. She adore's the guy :)
-Larry
"Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if unsure. If
> anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well.
>
> "Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message
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> > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel trapsinstead
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> of > > grass between the track and the fences ? > > > > -- > > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > > Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]... > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? i > dont > > > have nbc :-\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think so too. That's the way I read it. He kept on with the "Someone hit
me in the rear" stuff.
He's not good at admitting fault.
-Larry
"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hearhim
> > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park and
> > Little E.
>
> I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to blame
> Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,the
> fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was annoyed
> because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass theblame.
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>
Was it me, or did it look like Rusty was blocking? On lap 1...
-David
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Rusty is not good at admitting fault. That's one of the things I don't like
> about him.
>
> Don't tell my mom, though. She adore's the guy :)
>
> -Larry
No, I think he just screwed up...
-Larry
"David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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like
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> Was it me, or did it look like Rusty was blocking? On lap 1... > > -David > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:o4n19.163283$%%[email hidden]... > > Rusty is not good at admitting fault. That's one of the things I don'tQuoted text (8 lines)
> > about him. > > > > Don't tell my mom, though. She adore's the guy :) > > > > -Larry > > >"Tom Pabst"
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> In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having "caused"
> that accident....
FWIW, I concur. Though I'm not a big Rusty fan either, sounded to me
like during his inteview (even before he was able to view any replay
tapes) that he was open to the possibility of having not cleared the
One car.
It's just one of the hazards of the trade.
Andre Ming
so where can i see the replay
"L.A. Ming" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Tom Pabst"
>
> <snip>
>
> > In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having"caused"
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> > that accident.... > > FWIW, I concur. Though I'm not a big Rusty fan either, sounded to me > like during his inteview (even before he was able to view any replay > tapes) that he was open to the possibility of having not cleared the > One car. > > It's just one of the hazards of the trade. > > Andre MingTom...
At the start of a WC race......running in the pack and all the distraction
of the field being bunched up......its like racing on the inside of a
washing machine....and the friggin' spin cycle comes on! There's no time to
look at a side mirror.....or the tach....or the overhead five-way mirror.
You don't take your eyes off the friggin' track and car(s) in front of
you...period! You also shouldn't change your lane......unless you are damn
sure you are clear. That was Rusty's fault....but hey, the cars drift and
not always is the driver in total control of what lane he is in....or stays
in....especially at the start with cold tires....and a cold driver.....and
the massive air turbulence of running two/three wide in a pack at a 150 mph!
I'd love to blame Rusty for that accident, because I flat don't like the guy
(I have my own personal reasons)......but I can't. I've looked at the
replay a hundred times....and in my own mind....it was a "racing
accident"....unfortunate.....but that's what it looks like to me. This is
my opinion, of course....but I'm only out to satisfy me.....not others.
Tom
"Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > Little E.
> >
> > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest toblame
> > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,
> the
> > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I wasannoyed
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> Simple fix, put regular side view mirrors on the cars, then they have no > spotter to blame. > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]... > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear > him > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out ParkQuoted text (10 lines)
> > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the > blame. > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > >You know what, Larry? Someone did hit him in the rear! At the time Rusty
was interviewed, he did not have the benefit of looking at the replay five
hundred times....if he even saw it once at that point....I would be
surprised. All he knew was, he was hit from behind....and it turned him
into the wall. He stated what he knew.....that's all.
"He's not good at admitting fault." Yep...you are right about that. But
he's not a total idiot, either. And, I don't think at the time of the TV
interview that he really knew "why" he was hit in the rear....just that he
was.
Damn....I hate defending this guy.......but I can't find him "guilty" of
shifting blame....not this time, at least.
TP
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I think so too. That's the way I read it. He kept on with the "Someonehit
and
> > > Little E.
> >
> > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest toblame
> > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,
> the
> > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I wasannoyed
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> me in the rear" stuff. > > He's not good at admitting fault. > > -Larry > > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]... > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear > him > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out ParkQuoted text (10 lines)
> > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the > blame. > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > >He also said, I was running my line then bam, somebody took out my right
rear. Someone took me out.
He was trying to say, it wasn't anything I did.
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear him
> dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park and
> Little E.
>
> In fact he said he "thought he was clear....and wasn't. It was one ofthose
> racing accidents that happen because we can't see down to the detail of
> inches....and I was short of clearing by inches. Pocono....is not a place
> where your spotter helps you much....they are too far away from the carsto
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> do that." [paraphrased] > > From what I saw in video replays......his description is accurate. That's > not a "fault" incident...just a racing judgment incident...and that can > happen to any driver at any time....IMHO. > > In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having "caused" > that accident.... > > Tom > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if unsure. If > > anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well. > > > > "Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message > > news:3d45a325$0$10515$[email hidden]... > > > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps > instead > > of > > > grass between the track and the fences ? > > > > > > -- > > > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > > > Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]... > > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? i > > dont > > > > have nbc :-\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What's....up......with..all..........the.........periods.......Tom?......
Lannie :)
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Tom...
>
> At the start of a WC race......running in the pack and all the distraction
> of the field being bunched up......its like racing on the inside of a
> washing machine....and the friggin' spin cycle comes on! There's no timeto
> look at a side mirror.....or the tach....or the overhead five-way mirror.
> You don't take your eyes off the friggin' track and car(s) in front of
> you...period! You also shouldn't change your lane......unless you aredamn
> sure you are clear. That was Rusty's fault....but hey, the cars drift and
> not always is the driver in total control of what lane he is in....orstays
> in....especially at the start with cold tires....and a cold driver.....and
> the massive air turbulence of running two/three wide in a pack at a 150mph!
> I'd love to blame Rusty for that accident, because I flat don't like theguy
hear
fault,
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> (I have my own personal reasons)......but I can't. I've looked at the > replay a hundred times....and in my own mind....it was a "racing > accident"....unfortunate.....but that's what it looks like to me. This is > my opinion, of course....but I'm only out to satisfy me.....not others. > > Tom > > > > "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9Ml19.286090$[email hidden]... > > Simple fix, put regular side view mirrors on the cars, then they have no > > spotter to blame. > > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]... > > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn'tQuoted text (8 lines)
> > him > > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park > and > > > > Little E. > > > > > > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to > blame > > > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement orQuoted text (15 lines)
> > the > > > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was > annoyed > > > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the > > blame. > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Tom...
>
> At the start of a WC race......running in the pack and all the distraction
> of the field being bunched up......its like racing on the inside of a
> washing machine....and the friggin' spin cycle comes on! There's no timeto
> look at a side mirror.....or the tach....or the overhead five-way mirror.
> You don't take your eyes off the friggin' track and car(s) in front of
> you...period! You also shouldn't change your lane......unless you aredamn
> sure you are clear. That was Rusty's fault....but hey, the cars drift and
> not always is the driver in total control of what lane he is in....orstays
> in....especially at the start with cold tires....and a cold driver.....and
> the massive air turbulence of running two/three wide in a pack at a 150mph!
> I'd love to blame Rusty for that accident, because I flat don't like theguy
Tom, you're an "ellipses epileptic". :0) Wouldn't it be easier on your
period key to just punctuate normally? Give the damn key a rest man! ;0)
--
Joe Marques
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> (I have my own personal reasons)......but I can't. I've looked at the > replay a hundred times....and in my own mind....it was a "racing > accident"....unfortunate.....but that's what it looks like to me. This is > my opinion, of course....but I'm only out to satisfy me.....not others. > > Tom >It makes long
spaces...............between...............the..........words..............s
o I can see them with these old eyes of mine. Just to
make...........SURE.........I've spelled them correctly.
You..............know? ....lol.......
Actually, its a bad habit. I'm trying to break from doing it but the old
"finger" goes to that period key...automatically it seems! Sorry, I'll try
to do better.
Tom
"Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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distraction
> > of the field being bunched up......its like racing on the inside of a
> > washing machine....and the friggin' spin cycle comes on! There's notime
> to
> > look at a side mirror.....or the tach....or the overhead five-waymirror.
> > You don't take your eyes off the friggin' track and car(s) in front of
> > you...period! You also shouldn't change your lane......unless you are
> damn
> > sure you are clear. That was Rusty's fault....but hey, the cars driftand
> > not always is the driver in total control of what lane he is in....or
> stays
> > in....especially at the start with cold tires....and a colddriver.....and
is
no
Park
the
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> What's....up......with..all..........the.........periods.......Tom?...... > > Lannie :) > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pir19.168780$[email hidden]... > > Tom... > > > > At the start of a WC race......running in the pack and all theQuoted text (7 lines)
> > the massive air turbulence of running two/three wide in a pack at a 150 > mph! > > I'd love to blame Rusty for that accident, because I flat don't like the > guy > > (I have my own personal reasons)......but I can't. I've looked at the > > replay a hundred times....and in my own mind....it was a "racing > > accident"....unfortunate.....but that's what it looks like to me. ThisQuoted text (9 lines)
> > my opinion, of course....but I'm only out to satisfy me.....not others. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > "Tom Osbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9Ml19.286090$[email hidden]... > > > Simple fix, put regular side view mirrors on the cars, then they haveQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > spotter to blame. > > > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]... > > > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't > hear > > > him > > > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took outQuoted text (11 lines)
> > and > > > > > Little E. > > > > > > > > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to > > blame > > > > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or > fault, > > > the > > > > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was > > annoyed > > > > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to passQuoted text (13 lines)
> > > blame. > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Actually Joe......this is a technique used in writing movie scripts. It is
used on the line copies used to give to the actors to learn their lines. I
did a lot of acting when I was younger, guess I picked it up there and its
become a bad habit. Sorry.
TP
"Joe Marques" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Tom...
> >
> > At the start of a WC race......running in the pack and all thedistraction
> > of the field being bunched up......its like racing on the inside of a
> > washing machine....and the friggin' spin cycle comes on! There's notime
> to
> > look at a side mirror.....or the tach....or the overhead five-waymirror.
> > You don't take your eyes off the friggin' track and car(s) in front of
> > you...period! You also shouldn't change your lane......unless you are
> damn
> > sure you are clear. That was Rusty's fault....but hey, the cars driftand
> > not always is the driver in total control of what lane he is in....or
> stays
> > in....especially at the start with cold tires....and a colddriver.....and
is
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> > the massive air turbulence of running two/three wide in a pack at a 150 > mph! > > I'd love to blame Rusty for that accident, because I flat don't like the > guy > > (I have my own personal reasons)......but I can't. I've looked at the > > replay a hundred times....and in my own mind....it was a "racing > > accident"....unfortunate.....but that's what it looks like to me. ThisQuoted text (13 lines)
> > my opinion, of course....but I'm only out to satisfy me.....not others. > > > > Tom > > > > Tom, you're an "ellipses epileptic". :0) Wouldn't it be easier on your > period key to just punctuate normally? Give the damn key a rest man! ;0) > > -- > Joe Marques > > >Yeah...that's what he said because that's what he knew....at the time of the
interview. If you look at the replay, his car doesn't move more than a few
inches - to the right - before he strikes Park's car - just barely. Perhaps
Rusty didn't notice his few inches of lane change, and it was his perception
(at the time of the interview) that he had not moved. Reality is: He
shouldn't have been in jeopardy with a "drift" of that small of magnitude.
But, at the starts, with the field packed up, it happens!
TP
PS: Crap you guys, stop making me defend this jerk! .....lol.....
"Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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him
place
> > where your spotter helps you much....they are too far away from the cars
> to
> > do that." [paraphrased]
> >
> > From what I saw in video replays......his description is accurate.That's
> > not a "fault" incident...just a racing judgment incident...and that can
> > happen to any driver at any time....IMHO.
> >
> > In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having"caused"
If
i
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> He also said, I was running my line then bam, somebody took out my right > rear. Someone took me out. > He was trying to say, it wasn't anything I did. > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]... > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hearQuoted text (7 lines)
> > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park and > > Little E. > > > > In fact he said he "thought he was clear....and wasn't. It was one of > those > > racing accidents that happen because we can't see down to the detail of > > inches....and I was short of clearing by inches. Pocono....is not aQuoted text (9 lines)
> > that accident.... > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if unsure.Quoted text (17 lines)
> > > anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well. > > > > > > "Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message > > > news:3d45a325$0$10515$[email hidden]... > > > > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps > > instead > > > of > > > > grass between the track and the fences ? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > > > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > > > > > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > > > > Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]... > > > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about?Quoted text (13 lines)
> > > dont > > > > > have nbc :-\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >hehe...are getting paid for this defense? :)
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Yeah...that's what he said because that's what he knew....at the time ofthe
> interview. If you look at the replay, his car doesn't move more than afew
> inches - to the right - before he strikes Park's car - just barely.Perhaps
> Rusty didn't notice his few inches of lane change, and it was hisperception
and
> > > Little E.
> > >
> > > In fact he said he "thought he was clear....and wasn't. It was one of
> > those
> > > racing accidents that happen because we can't see down to the detailof
> > > inches....and I was short of clearing by inches. Pocono....is not a
> place
> > > where your spotter helps you much....they are too far away from thecars
> > to
> > > do that." [paraphrased]
> > >
> > > From what I saw in video replays......his description is accurate.
> That's
> > > not a "fault" incident...just a racing judgment incident...and thatcan
unsure.
about?
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> (at the time of the interview) that he had not moved. Reality is: He > shouldn't have been in jeopardy with a "drift" of that small of magnitude. > But, at the starts, with the field packed up, it happens! > > TP > > PS: Crap you guys, stop making me defend this jerk! .....lol..... > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3d468ee7$[email hidden]... > > He also said, I was running my line then bam, somebody took out my right > > rear. Someone took me out. > > He was trying to say, it wasn't anything I did. > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]... > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear > him > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out ParkQuoted text (13 lines)
> > > happen to any driver at any time....IMHO. > > > > > > In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having > "caused" > > > that accident.... > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line ifQuoted text (18 lines)
> If > > > > anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well. > > > > > > > > "Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message > > > > news:3d45a325$0$10515$[email hidden]... > > > > > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps > > > instead > > > > of > > > > > grass between the track and the fences ? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > > > > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > > > > > Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]... > > > > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talkingQuoted text (16 lines)
> i > > > > dont > > > > > > have nbc :-\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]...
> > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hearhim
> > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park and
> > Little E.
>
> I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to blame
> Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,the
> fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was annoyed
> because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass theblame.
>
> -Tim
>
> That deal can't be laid onto Rusty. The mirrors in NR2002 are far better
than what those guys get. With the extended head rests, and HANS limiting
head movement, do you really think you could sit in the floor pan of a Cup
car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guy with good
eyesight and bet I could not.
On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the momentum
and outside position.
Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front
stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement: OOTRD
(one of them racin deals)
"SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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OOTRD
> (one of them racin deals)
If was one of them racin deals but it definately was caused by the 2 car.
There is no question that all of those conditions helped to cause the
accident but even Rusty said in his post-crash interview that he is
responsible for where his car is and know where the other cars around him
are, not the spotter. Being the fact that it's Rusty's fault doesn't mean
he is a bad driver or even that it could have been avoided. The bottom line
is that the 1 car had position and the 2 car impeded on that position. Even
though the events may have been out of Rusty's control, (turbulence,
drifting, lack of vision, lack of spotter vision, etc) it is still his car
that caused the accident.
The original point was Rusty's attitude in his post-race interview that
another car caused the accident and that there was no concession of any
fault on his behalf.
-Tim
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> That deal can't be laid onto Rusty. The mirrors in NR2002 are far better > than what those guys get. With the extended head rests, and HANS limiting > head movement, do you really think you could sit in the floor pan of a Cup > car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guy with good > eyesight and bet I could not. > > On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the momentum > and outside position. > > Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front > stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement:I'm just teasing you, it doesn't bother me. I just thought it looked kind
of odd so I couldn't resist commenting when I though of "ellipses epilepsy".
Those words don't look like they should ever be said in the same phrase. :0)
--
Joe Marques
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Actually Joe......this is a technique used in writing movie scripts. It
is
> used on the line copies used to give to the actors to learn their lines.
I
> did a lot of acting when I was younger, guess I picked it up there and its
> become a bad habit. Sorry.
>
> TP
>
>
He wasn't hit in the rear, not that I saw.
Unless it was AFTER he went up and chopped off Steve's nose.
Actually, what really got Steve's car turned left was after the contact with
Rusty, Steve was indeed hit in the rear by Craven. This was, of course, not
Craven's fault. He just happened to be the one behind Steve when the
initial hit with Rusty slowed him down.
That turned hin left into the path of Jr.
And the rest was a hell of a ride.
Rusty wasn't hit in the rear, he put his RR quarter where it didn't belong,
for whatever reason :)
-Larry
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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hear
fault,
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> You know what, Larry? Someone did hit him in the rear! At the time Rusty > was interviewed, he did not have the benefit of looking at the replay five > hundred times....if he even saw it once at that point....I would be > surprised. All he knew was, he was hit from behind....and it turned him > into the wall. He stated what he knew.....that's all. > > "He's not good at admitting fault." Yep...you are right about that. But > he's not a total idiot, either. And, I don't think at the time of the TV > interview that he really knew "why" he was hit in the rear....just that he > was. > > Damn....I hate defending this guy.......but I can't find him "guilty" of > shifting blame....not this time, at least. > > TP > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:F5n19.163289$%%[email hidden]... > > I think so too. That's the way I read it. He kept on with the "Someone > hit > > me in the rear" stuff. > > > > He's not good at admitting fault. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]... > > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn'tQuoted text (8 lines)
> > him > > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park > and > > > > Little E. > > > > > > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to > blame > > > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement orQuoted text (15 lines)
> > the > > > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was > annoyed > > > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the > > blame. > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >That's what I heard too.
-Larry
"Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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him
place
> > where your spotter helps you much....they are too far away from the cars
> to
> > do that." [paraphrased]
> >
> > From what I saw in video replays......his description is accurate.That's
> > not a "fault" incident...just a racing judgment incident...and that can
> > happen to any driver at any time....IMHO.
> >
> > In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having"caused"
If
i
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> He also said, I was running my line then bam, somebody took out my right > rear. Someone took me out. > He was trying to say, it wasn't anything I did. > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]... > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hearQuoted text (7 lines)
> > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park and > > Little E. > > > > In fact he said he "thought he was clear....and wasn't. It was one of > those > > racing accidents that happen because we can't see down to the detail of > > inches....and I was short of clearing by inches. Pocono....is not aQuoted text (9 lines)
> > that accident.... > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if unsure.Quoted text (17 lines)
> > > anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well. > > > > > > "Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message > > > news:3d45a325$0$10515$[email hidden]... > > > > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps > > instead > > > of > > > > grass between the track and the fences ? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > > > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > > > > > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > > > > Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]... > > > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about?Quoted text (13 lines)
> > > dont > > > > > have nbc :-\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I don't think anyone, including me, is saying it was Rusty's fault.
However, it WAS Rusty that instigated the incident.
If I were simply to hear "I started that, sorry. Didn't mean to do it" then
I would be happy. But, it doesn't seem to be in him to say something like
that. He just can't say it!
I think now that he's had time to look it over, we may hear this from him
next weekend.
The incident was NO one's fault.
-Larry
"SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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and
> > > Little E.
> >
> > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest toblame
> > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,
> the
> > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I wasannoyed
OOTRD
> (one of them racin deals)
>
>
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> > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]... > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear > him > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out ParkQuoted text (17 lines)
> > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the > blame. > > > > -Tim > > > > > That deal can't be laid onto Rusty. The mirrors in NR2002 are far better > than what those guys get. With the extended head rests, and HANS limiting > head movement, do you really think you could sit in the floor pan of a Cup > car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guy with good > eyesight and bet I could not. > > On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the momentum > and outside position. > > Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front > stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement:Tim,
Well put and I agree 100%.
You put it a lot better than I did.
Perfect.
-Larry
"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:dtD19.35700$[email hidden]...
> > That deal can't be laid onto Rusty. The mirrors in NR2002 are farbetter
> > than what those guys get. With the extended head rests, and HANSlimiting
> > head movement, do you really think you could sit in the floor pan of aCup
> > car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guy withgood
> > eyesight and bet I could not.
> >
> > On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had themomentum
line
> is that the 1 car had position and the 2 car impeded on that position.Even
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> > and outside position. > > > > Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front > > stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement: > OOTRD > > (one of them racin deals) > > If was one of them racin deals but it definately was caused by the 2 car. > There is no question that all of those conditions helped to cause the > accident but even Rusty said in his post-crash interview that he is > responsible for where his car is and know where the other cars around him > are, not the spotter. Being the fact that it's Rusty's fault doesn't mean > he is a bad driver or even that it could have been avoided. The bottomQuoted text (12 lines)
> though the events may have been out of Rusty's control, (turbulence, > drifting, lack of vision, lack of spotter vision, etc) it is still his car > that caused the accident. > > The original point was Rusty's attitude in his post-race interview that > another car caused the accident and that there was no concession of any > fault on his behalf. > > -Tim > > >Lol.....
You mean I wasn't supposed to have my feelings hurt?
TP
-:)
"Joe Marques" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I'm just teasing you, it doesn't bother me. I just thought it looked kind
> of odd so I couldn't resist commenting when I though of "ellipsesepilepsy".
> Those words don't look like they should ever be said in the same phrase.:0)
its
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> > -- > Joe Marques > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Xmz19.723892$cQ3.112141@sccrnsc01... > > Actually Joe......this is a technique used in writing movie scripts. It > is > > used on the line copies used to give to the actors to learn their lines. > I > > did a lot of acting when I was younger, guess I picked it up there andQuoted text (8 lines)
> > become a bad habit. Sorry. > > > > TP > > > > > > >Agree....totally.
TP
"SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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and
> > > Little E.
> >
> > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest toblame
> > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,
> the
> > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I wasannoyed
OOTRD
> (one of them racin deals)
>
>
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> > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]... > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear > him > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out ParkQuoted text (17 lines)
> > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the > blame. > > > > -Tim > > > > > That deal can't be laid onto Rusty. The mirrors in NR2002 are far better > than what those guys get. With the extended head rests, and HANS limiting > head movement, do you really think you could sit in the floor pan of a Cup > car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guy with good > eyesight and bet I could not. > > On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the momentum > and outside position. > > Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front > stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement:I agree with you, Tim. Good way of putting it. My only reason for
defending Rusty was not that his car didn't start the accident....of course
it did. It was that he didn't do anything reasonably avoidable, to start
the accident. Words like "blame" and "fault" usually mean that somebody
made an avoidable mistake, or a bad misjudgment.
I also heard Rusty specifically say, "I thought it was clear....and it
wasn't!" That's about as close as you are going to get Rusty Wallace to
admitting to having started the incident. I'm sure he is sorry that it
happened, he just doesn't say it.
Here's the kind of guy Rusty Wallace is (and this is only a small part of my
personal, one-to-one experience with him): The year we were in the NASCAR
Garage paddock area with our simulators for four days......letting the Cup
drivers test the three configs of the Chute we'd come up with - Rusty
refused to drive in the sim. He said it was stupid - very loudly! He also
laughed at me directly in my face....about my idea of paving the gravel
traps (see the string above about that whole topic). This is while he, Ward
Burton and myself were casually talking with one of the NASCAR officials, in
the sim tent. He looked at me with that "incredulous Rusty Wallace face"
that he does so well, and said, "Man, are you crazy or what?" The next
year, Rusty shows up at Sears....and all the drivers are praising the new
chute design and especially....THE PAVED GRAVEL TRAPS....(..lol...), and
Rusty acts at a press conference as if it was his friggin' idea the year
before, that we paved the gravel traps because it was his suggestion to do
it. That really T'd me off....big time! I have many more "Rusty Wallace"
stories.....but I will keep them to myself. They all get worse than this
one!
TP
"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > That deal can't be laid onto Rusty. The mirrors in NR2002 are farbetter
> > than what those guys get. With the extended head rests, and HANSlimiting
> > head movement, do you really think you could sit in the floor pan of aCup
> > car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guy withgood
> > eyesight and bet I could not.
> >
> > On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had themomentum
line
> is that the 1 car had position and the 2 car impeded on that position.Even
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> > and outside position. > > > > Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front > > stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement: > OOTRD > > (one of them racin deals) > > If was one of them racin deals but it definately was caused by the 2 car. > There is no question that all of those conditions helped to cause the > accident but even Rusty said in his post-crash interview that he is > responsible for where his car is and know where the other cars around him > are, not the spotter. Being the fact that it's Rusty's fault doesn't mean > he is a bad driver or even that it could have been avoided. The bottomQuoted text (12 lines)
> though the events may have been out of Rusty's control, (turbulence, > drifting, lack of vision, lack of spotter vision, etc) it is still his car > that caused the accident. > > The original point was Rusty's attitude in his post-race interview that > another car caused the accident and that there was no concession of any > fault on his behalf. > > -Tim > > >Lol.....no.
TP
"Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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magnitude.
right
> > > rear. Someone took me out.
> > > He was trying to say, it wasn't anything I did.
> > >
> > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:uGj19.213435$[email hidden]...
> > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn'thear
> > him
> > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park
> and
> > > > Little E.
> > > >
> > > > In fact he said he "thought he was clear....and wasn't. It was oneof
traps
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> hehe...are getting paid for this defense? :) > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Vqz19.723920$cQ3.112089@sccrnsc01... > > Yeah...that's what he said because that's what he knew....at the time of > the > > interview. If you look at the replay, his car doesn't move more than a > few > > inches - to the right - before he strikes Park's car - just barely. > Perhaps > > Rusty didn't notice his few inches of lane change, and it was his > perception > > (at the time of the interview) that he had not moved. Reality is: He > > shouldn't have been in jeopardy with a "drift" of that small ofQuoted text (10 lines)
> > But, at the starts, with the field packed up, it happens! > > > > TP > > > > PS: Crap you guys, stop making me defend this jerk! .....lol..... > > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3d468ee7$[email hidden]... > > > He also said, I was running my line then bam, somebody took out myQuoted text (34 lines)
> > > those > > > > racing accidents that happen because we can't see down to the detail > of > > > > inches....and I was short of clearing by inches. Pocono....is not a > > place > > > > where your spotter helps you much....they are too far away from the > cars > > > to > > > > do that." [paraphrased] > > > > > > > > From what I saw in video replays......his description is accurate. > > That's > > > > not a "fault" incident...just a racing judgment incident...and that > can > > > > happen to any driver at any time....IMHO. > > > > > > > > In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having > > "caused" > > > > that accident.... > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if > unsure. > > If > > > > > anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well. > > > > > > > > > > "Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message > > > > > news:3d45a325$0$10515$[email hidden]... > > > > > > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravelQuoted text (31 lines)
> > > > instead > > > > > of > > > > > > grass between the track and the fences ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > > > > > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > > > > > > Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking > about? > > i > > > > > dont > > > > > > > have nbc :-\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would love to hear the rest of the rusty wallace stories.
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I agree with you, Tim. Good way of putting it. My only reason for
> defending Rusty was not that his car didn't start the accident....ofcourse
my
> personal, one-to-one experience with him): The year we were in the NASCAR
> Garage paddock area with our simulators for four days......letting the Cup
> drivers test the three configs of the Chute we'd come up with - Rusty
> refused to drive in the sim. He said it was stupid - very loudly! Healso
> laughed at me directly in my face....about my idea of paving the gravel
> traps (see the string above about that whole topic). This is while he,Ward
> Burton and myself were casually talking with one of the NASCAR officials,in
car.
> > There is no question that all of those conditions helped to cause the
> > accident but even Rusty said in his post-crash interview that he is
> > responsible for where his car is and know where the other cars aroundhim
> > are, not the spotter. Being the fact that it's Rusty's fault doesn'tmean
> > he is a bad driver or even that it could have been avoided. The bottom
> line
> > is that the 1 car had position and the 2 car impeded on that position.
> Even
> > though the events may have been out of Rusty's control, (turbulence,
> > drifting, lack of vision, lack of spotter vision, etc) it is still hiscar
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> it did. It was that he didn't do anything reasonably avoidable, to start > the accident. Words like "blame" and "fault" usually mean that somebody > made an avoidable mistake, or a bad misjudgment. > > I also heard Rusty specifically say, "I thought it was clear....and it > wasn't!" That's about as close as you are going to get Rusty Wallace to > admitting to having started the incident. I'm sure he is sorry that it > happened, he just doesn't say it. > > Here's the kind of guy Rusty Wallace is (and this is only a small part ofQuoted text (37 lines)
> the sim tent. He looked at me with that "incredulous Rusty Wallace face" > that he does so well, and said, "Man, are you crazy or what?" The next > year, Rusty shows up at Sears....and all the drivers are praising the new > chute design and especially....THE PAVED GRAVEL TRAPS....(..lol...), and > Rusty acts at a press conference as if it was his friggin' idea the year > before, that we paved the gravel traps because it was his suggestion to do > it. That really T'd me off....big time! I have many more "Rusty Wallace" > stories.....but I will keep them to myself. They all get worse than this > one! > > TP > > > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:dtD19.35700$[email hidden]... > > > That deal can't be laid onto Rusty. The mirrors in NR2002 are far > better > > > than what those guys get. With the extended head rests, and HANS > limiting > > > head movement, do you really think you could sit in the floor pan of a > Cup > > > car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guy with > good > > > eyesight and bet I could not. > > > > > > On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the > momentum > > > and outside position. > > > > > > Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front > > > stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement: > > OOTRD > > > (one of them racin deals) > > > > If was one of them racin deals but it definately was caused by the 2Quoted text (12 lines)
> > that caused the accident. > > > > The original point was Rusty's attitude in his post-race interview that > > another car caused the accident and that there was no concession of any > > fault on his behalf. > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > >Can you say roll over. What they need is blacktop to slow the cars down. I
am sure that what they will have next year. They have done it with most
other tracks. Besides, Steve was so close to rolling. That would have been
ugly, not only for Steve but for all those fans in the infield.
"Txl" <txl AT free.fr> wrote in message
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> seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps insteadof
dont
> > have nbc :-\
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> grass between the track and the fences ? > > -- > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > Uxg19.74400$[email hidden]... > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? iNo way. I probably shouldn't have even told that one.
TP
"frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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start
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> my
> > personal, one-to-one experience with him): The year we were in theNASCAR
> > Garage paddock area with our simulators for four days......letting theCup
officials,
> in
> > the sim tent. He looked at me with that "incredulous Rusty Wallaceface"
> > that he does so well, and said, "Man, are you crazy or what?" The next
> > year, Rusty shows up at Sears....and all the drivers are praising thenew
> > chute design and especially....THE PAVED GRAVEL TRAPS....(..lol...), and
> > Rusty acts at a press conference as if it was his friggin' idea the year
> > before, that we paved the gravel traps because it was his suggestion todo
> > it. That really T'd me off....big time! I have many more "RustyWallace"
> > stories.....but I will keep them to myself. They all get worse thanthis
a
> > Cup
> > > > car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guywith
judgement:
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> > > another car caused the accident and that there was no concession ofany
