GPL Replay Analyser v6.6 released

Hi everyone! We've put together a new version (6.6) of GPL Replay Analyser for all of you GPL fans to download. A couple of improvements and a couple of bug fixes this time. This is the new stuff: *You can now print a telemetry page from the graph. The printed paper will contain a primary graph, a trackmap and three secondary graphs. Example of a "printed" page: http://home.bip.net/martin/gplra/graphprint.jpg *Added commandline support for automatic generation and export of reports. See readme-file for details on parameters. *Fixed these bugs: -GPLRA could sometimes crash while trying to load a "replay-file" with no contents (=0 bytes long), this is now fixed. -Fixed a couple of bugs concerning merged replays. One that "non-local" laps were merged incorrectly regarding driving line and the other that some value (roll/pitch) were sometimes incorrect. -Fixed a bug where the 'lateral' value of AI-cars driving line would be incorrect on wide tracks. -The time difference graph in the graph were sometimes acting strange when comparing laps at very short tracks. -If you tried to export a report to a txt-file GPLRA sometimes crashed Download and more info at: http://home.bip.net/martin/gplra/ http://www.bonetweb.com/grandprix/gplra/ (mirror) Let us know if you have any problems. Cheers, /Martin and Jonas

> This is the new stuff: > > *You can now print a telemetry page from the graph. The printed paper > will contain a primary graph, a trackmap and three secondary graphs. > Example of a "printed" page: > http://home.bip.net/martin/gplra/graphprint.jpg Oooooooooo - something we'll be seing in the n2k2 version :D ?? Doug

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:04:46 +0100, "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Example of a "printed" page: >> http://home.bip.net/martin/gplra/graphprint.jpg > >Oooooooooo - something we'll be seing in the n2k2 version :D ?? Yep :) Cheers, /Martin

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:47:42 GMT, [email hidden] (Martin Granberg) wrote: >Hi everyone! > >We've put together a new version (6.6) of GPL Replay Analyser for all >of you GPL fans to download. A big THANK YOU -again- :) Andre

In article <_vB19.4794$SA3.225577@wards>, "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> This is the new stuff: >> >> *You can now print a telemetry page from the graph. The printed paper >> will contain a primary graph, a trackmap and three secondary graphs. >> Example of a "printed" page: >> http://home.bip.net/martin/gplra/graphprint.jpg > >Oooooooooo - something we'll be seing in the n2k2 version :D ?? >

Ok - somebody refresh my memory. How is the telemetry supposed to help? All it tells me is that I'm slower everywhere. It doesn't show me WHY... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I don't know how detailed this telemetry is but the telemetry helped me enormously in F12K2. If you're slow like most people (me included), you're not slower everywhere, you're probably faster in the exact WRONG place, the entry of turns. When entering the turn too fast you end up exiting at a lower speed than a fast driver and thus not reaching top speed on the straight. Using telemetry in F12K2 and noticing my poor (i.e., FAST) entry speeds at Catalunya so I slowed down into the turns and came out faster reaching higher top speeds in the straights and dropping a full 2 seconds on my lap times in just one night. I'm not an expert but this basic use of telemetry is making me a better driver. -- Joe Marques "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <_vB19.4794$SA3.225577@wards>, "Doug Ellison" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> This is the new stuff: > >> > >> *You can now print a telemetry page from the graph. The printed paper > >> will contain a primary graph, a trackmap and three secondary graphs. > >> Example of a "printed" page: > >> http://home.bip.net/martin/gplra/graphprint.jpg > > > >Oooooooooo - something we'll be seing in the n2k2 version :D ?? > > > > Ok - somebody refresh my memory. How is the telemetry supposed to help? All > it tells me is that I'm slower everywhere. It doesn't show me WHY... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 31 Jul 2002 02:14:48 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Ok - somebody refresh my memory. How is the telemetry supposed to help? All >it tells me is that I'm slower everywhere. It doesn't show me WHY... Slower everywhere? :) Compare to some non-alien in that case, or concentrate on where you are slowest and work on that. Basics on how to use the graph: Select and load two (or more) laps and go into the graph. By plotting the laps in the graph you can see differences in for example speed , RPM, gear used. If you plot (exactly) 2 laps in the graph you can select the time difference graph. This is very useful to see where on the track you are loosing/gaining time compared to the other lap. If you for example see a spot where you loose a lot of time, have a look on the different graph and see if you can spot what makes you loose time. Perhaps you had a higher entry speed and therefore lost time in the exit? Etc. Not available in GPLRA, but in N2002 you can also examine where people get on/off the throttle and brake which often is quite telling. In GPLRA you can use the RPM-graph instead as an approximation of throttle usage, but different gear ratios makes it a bit more difficult to compare. Use the trackmap to make it easier to find where on the track a certain point in the graph is. Also compare the driving lines to see if you perhaps take the wrong line. I usually start with finding WHERE I am slower. Then I start to look for WHY I am slower. When you have a certain part of the track to examine it is a lot easier to understand why than simply knowing that you are 3 seconds slower per lap. Problem is that the answer to why sometimes is better car control and then there isn't much to do but practice or hope for an alien abduction... :) Cheers, /Martin

On 31 Jul 2002 02:14:48 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Ok - somebody refresh my memory. How is the telemetry supposed to help? All >it tells me is that I'm slower everywhere. It doesn't show me WHY... Eldred, find some replays that are closer to your own times. If you compare your laps with someone who is, say, 3 or 5 seconds faster, you're probably going to be slower everywhere simply because they're braking later, carrying more speed through the turns, and getting up to speed faster. If you look at one that's less than 1 second faster, chances are there will be a few places where you're faster, and a few places where they're faster. Heck, I'm still using the replays that shipped with GPL as my baseline. I've spent the last 6 months trying to trailbrake more into 1 at Kyalami without washing off the track... Jason

"Martin Granberg" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[email hidden]... > [New GPLRA features] Amazing stuff, as always. Well done. Thanks a bunch! :) Best regards Crash

Do you have anything that will take my replays and make my driving look better?? =) Hey... miracles happen. ;) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Martin Granberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi everyone! > > We've put together a new version (6.6) of GPL Replay Analyser for all > of you GPL fans to download. > > A couple of improvements and a couple of bug fixes this time. > > This is the new stuff: > > *You can now print a telemetry page from the graph. The printed paper > will contain a primary graph, a trackmap and three secondary graphs. > Example of a "printed" page: > http://home.bip.net/martin/gplra/graphprint.jpg > > *Added commandline support for automatic generation and export of > reports. See readme-file for details on parameters. > > *Fixed these bugs: > -GPLRA could sometimes crash while trying to load a "replay-file" with > no contents (=0 bytes long), this is now fixed. > -Fixed a couple of bugs concerning merged replays. One that > "non-local" laps were merged incorrectly regarding driving line and > the other that some value (roll/pitch) were sometimes incorrect. > -Fixed a bug where the 'lateral' value of AI-cars driving line would > be incorrect on wide tracks. > -The time difference graph in the graph were sometimes acting strange > when comparing laps at very short tracks. > -If you tried to export a report to a txt-file GPLRA sometimes crashed > > Download and more info at: > http://home.bip.net/martin/gplra/ > http://www.bonetweb.com/grandprix/gplra/ (mirror) > > Let us know if you have any problems. > > Cheers, > > /Martin and Jonas >

In article <MMJ19.383307$[email hidden]>, "Joe Marques" <[email hidden]> writes: >I don't know how detailed this telemetry is but the telemetry helped me >enormously in F12K2. If you're slow like most people (me included), you're >not slower everywhere, you're probably faster in the exact WRONG place, the >entry of turns. When entering the turn too fast you end up exiting at a >lower speed than a fast driver and thus not reaching top speed on the >straight. I've heard that before - slow in, fast out. But the interesting thing is, I brake earlier than all the replays I compare to. So I'm *already* slower going into the turn. The other cars are faster, PLUS they can get back on the gas sooner. If I brake at the same time, I don't even MAKE the turn. If I get back on the gas at the same time, I'm off the track at the turn exit. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <MMJ19.383307$[email hidden]>, "Joe > Marques" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I don't know how detailed this telemetry is but the telemetry helped me > >enormously in F12K2. If you're slow like most people (me included),you're > >not slower everywhere, you're probably faster in the exact WRONG place,the > >entry of turns. When entering the turn too fast you end up exiting at a > >lower speed than a fast driver and thus not reaching top speed on the > >straight. > > I've heard that before - slow in, fast out. But the interesting thing is,I > brake earlier than all the replays I compare to. So I'm *already* slowergoing > into the turn. The other cars are faster, PLUS they can get back on thegas > sooner. If I brake at the same time, I don't even MAKE the turn. If Iget > back on the gas at the same time, I'm off the track at the turn exit. > Perhaps this a racing line issue? Yes, you're slower in but if you take the wrong line through the turn you're not "straight" soon enough to get back on the gas. F12K2 telemetry compares racing lines and I was doing this same thing on 1 turn in Catalunya. I was just as slow as the reference lap into the turn but my apex was off so my front wheels were still turned preventing me from accelerating properly. The reference lap driver was already straight allowing him greater acceleration grip sooner than me and thus, a higher top speed down the straight. -- Joe Marques

EldredP wrote: > > I've heard that before - slow in, fast out. But the interesting thing is, I > brake earlier than all the replays I compare to. So I'm *already* slower going > into the turn. The other cars are faster, PLUS they can get back on the gas > sooner. If I brake at the same time, I don't even MAKE the turn. If I get > back on the gas at the same time, I'm off the track at the turn exit. Sounds like you need to work on yer setups....... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

> I've heard that before - slow in, fast out. But the interesting thing is, I > brake earlier than all the replays I compare to. So I'm *already* slower going > into the turn. The other cars are faster, PLUS they can get back on the gas > sooner. If I brake at the same time, I don't even MAKE the turn. If I get > back on the gas at the same time, I'm off the track at the turn exit. Sounds like you need to work on yer setups....... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <yHV19.4516$[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <"adsales"@get topica.com> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> I've heard that before - slow in, fast out. But the interesting thing is, >I >> brake earlier than all the replays I compare to. So I'm *already* slower >going >> into the turn. The other cars are faster, PLUS they can get back on the >gas >> sooner. If I brake at the same time, I don't even MAKE the turn. If I get >> back on the gas at the same time, I'm off the track at the turn exit. > >Sounds like you need to work on yer setups.......

I can't blame the setups. This happens even using the SAME setups. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <ZxV19.29377$[email hidden]>, "Joe Marques" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Perhaps this a racing line issue? Yes, you're slower in but if you take the >wrong line through the turn you're not "straight" soon enough to get back on >the gas. F12K2 telemetry compares racing lines and I was doing this same >thing on 1 turn in Catalunya. I was just as slow as the reference lap into >the turn but my apex was off so my front wheels were still turned preventing >me from accelerating properly. The reference lap driver was already >straight allowing him greater acceleration grip sooner than me and thus, a >higher top speed down the straight.

I noticed something while testing a few months ago. Most drivers unwind the wheel as they exit the turn. On most of my exits not only am I not unwinding the wheel, I'm usually cranking more steering input trying to stay on the track(or out of the wall). Therefore I can't get back on the gas until I'm sure I'll make the turn, which is usually right AT track out... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ahhh c'mon Eldred...I watch you post in here burning on your abilities all the time, but I cant get NEAR your "Ring" time...(or most any of your other times in GPL) If I had an 8:30 lap at "the Ring" I would be feelin pretty damn good about myself!! {:-) Greg31

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>I can't blame the setups. This happens even using the SAME setups. > >Eldred >-- >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... > >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 01 Aug 2002 02:15:38 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >I noticed something while testing a few months ago. Most drivers unwind the >wheel as they exit the turn. On most of my exits not only am I not unwinding >the wheel, I'm usually cranking more steering input trying to stay on the >track(or out of the wall). Therefore I can't get back on the gas until I'm >sure I'll make the turn, which is usually right AT track out... I suggest you read Malcolm Edeson's article at: http://www.racesimcentral.com/articles/columns/maxx_russia1.shtml Among other things it covers just the problem you have there, as well as a possible solution. Cheers, /Martin

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Martin Granberg) writes:

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>On 01 Aug 2002 02:15:38 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>I noticed something while testing a few months ago. Most drivers unwind the >>wheel as they exit the turn. On most of my exits not only am I not >unwinding >>the wheel, I'm usually cranking more steering input trying to stay on the >>track(or out of the wall). Therefore I can't get back on the gas until I'm >>sure I'll make the turn, which is usually right AT track out... > >I suggest you read Malcolm Edeson's article at: > >http://www.racesimcentral.com/articles/columns/maxx_russia1.shtml > >Among other things it covers just the problem you have there, as well >as a possible solution.

Thanks. I just read that(trying to digest the info). I don't really see a solution for the first problem, like he gave for the second one. I guess I just don't have a good perception of exactly WHERE to turn in...ugh... I'm starting to think that I simply CAN'T do it, for whatever reason. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I noticed something while testing a few months ago. Most drivers unwindthe > wheel as they exit the turn. On most of my exits not only am I notunwinding > the wheel, I'm usually cranking more steering input trying to stay on the > track(or out of the wall). Therefore I can't get back on the gas untilI'm > sure I'll make the turn, which is usually right AT track out... If your car is understeering (push) putting more lock on will just make it worse. Lift off the throttle ( a little) and the front should regain some grip. The ideal would be to smoothly come back to full throttle in the second half of the turn, but I usually end up lifting & re-applying the throttle a couple of times with the car see-sawing it's way out of the corner. It's not perfect but it's better than ploughing into the gravel! Weight transfer is the key here I think. Malc.

In article <Iju29.2620$S03.319533@stones>, "Malc" <[email hidden]> writes: >Lift off the throttle ( a little) and the front should regain some grip. The >ideal would be to smoothly come back to full throttle in the second half of >the turn, but I usually end up lifting & re-applying the throttle a couple >of times with the car see-sawing it's way out of the corner. It's not >perfect but it's better than ploughing into the gravel! >Weight transfer is the key here I think. Yeah, I end up lifting during the turn. Then I lose ground to the guys who can just mat the throttle at the apex. Guess I need another 2000 laps of practice. See ya sometime next year... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > > > I can't blame the setups. This happens even using the SAME setups. Just yankin yer chain a little, I do remember things from one thread to another you know, I may be getting older but I'm not completely senile yet :-) <knock on wood> Who's there ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

> I can't blame the setups. This happens even using the SAME setups. Just yankin yer chain a little, I do remember things from one thread to another you know, I may be getting older but I'm not completely senile yet :-) <knock on wood> Who's there ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

<snip> > Yeah, I end up lifting during the turn. Then I lose ground to the guyswho can > just mat the throttle at the apex. > Guess I need another 2000 laps of practice. See ya sometime next year... > > Eldred<snip> I usually brake so early that I go on the throttle *before* the apex. Of course, Greger & Co brakes later and goes on the throttle closer to the apex, and are doing faster laps than me. My point is: Do not compare to the aliens. Drive the way you can as fast as you can. I can't drive like Greger. I just drive as fast as I can: I brake early, and get back on the throttle (at high gear) slightly too early. Jon Andersen