Radeon 8500 Question

I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5), and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700 when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE). The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002. My system is an Athlon 1700XP. How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card over the Voodoo5 in these sims? I don't expect much of a boost in GPL, since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out. (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror. I assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?) F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37). Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Bert

I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5), and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700 when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE). The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002. My system is an Athlon 1700XP. How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card over the Voodoo5 in these sims? I don't expect much of a boost in GPL, since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out. (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror. I assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?) F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37). Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Bert

"I'd be interested in the newer 9700 when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE" The 9700 will have Win98 drivers as per a statement from ATI. "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5), > and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700 > when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE). > > The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the > Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002. My system is an Athlon 1700XP. > > How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card > over the Voodoo5 in these sims? I don't expect much of a boost in GPL, > since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out. > (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror. I > assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?) > F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of > pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37). > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. > > Bert >

Schooner, Really? I just checked their website, and it said WinME, WinXP and Win2000 -- nothing about Win98. I hope you're right though....... Thanks, Bert Schooner wrote:

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> "I'd be interested in the newer 9700 when it's released, but I don't want to > change my OS from Windows 98SE" > The 9700 will have Win98 drivers as per a statement from ATI. > > "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5), > > and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700 > > when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE). > > > > The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the > > Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002. My system is an Athlon 1700XP. > > > > How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card > > over the Voodoo5 in these sims? I don't expect much of a boost in GPL, > > since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out. > > (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror. I > > assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?) > > F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of > > pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37). > > > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. > > > > Bert > >

Schooner, Really? I just checked their website, and it said WinME, WinXP and Win2000 -- nothing about Win98. I hope you're right though....... Thanks, Bert

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> "I'd be interested in the newer 9700 when it's released, but I don't want to > change my OS from Windows 98SE" > The 9700 will have Win98 drivers as per a statement from ATI. > > I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5), > > and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700 > > when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE). > > The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the > > Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002. My system is an Athlon 1700XP. > > How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card > > over the Voodoo5 in these sims? I don't expect much of a boost in GPL, > > since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out. > > (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror. I > > assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?) > > F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of > > pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37). > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. > > Bert

"BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Schooner, > > Really? I just checked their website, and it said WinME, WinXP andWin2000 -- > nothing about Win98. I hope you're right though....... > > Thanks, > Bert The confusion about this has to do with the fact that Microsoft no longer certifies drivers for Win98 as of July 1, 2002 which is why Win98 is not listed but the WinMe drivers will work just fine for Win98 and Win95. It has nothing to do with ATI or the 9700. -Tim

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> > I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5), > and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700 > when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE). > > The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the > Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002. My system is an Athlon 1700XP. > > How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card > over the Voodoo5 in these sims? I don't expect much of a boost in GPL, > since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out. > (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror. I > assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?) > F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of > pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37). > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

See other replies for the Win98 issue, as for the 8500, I did the swap myself a little while ago, and with an XP1900 it's really something else It's been a few weeks since I ran N2002 now, but I did a bit of benchmarking not too long ago, and with both the card (8500LE 128MB) and the CPU slightly OC'ed, 3DMark2001SE scores are in the mid 8000's, up from low to mid 2000's with a V5 I know it won't increase with 300% in N2002, but I know I went from running 8x6 with about medium details seeing the same FPS as you do to 1024x768 with just about everything on, and with about twice the FPS, testing at WG I often see 100+ FPS, I don't run GPL (horror) or F1-2002 (no interest) though, so I can't say how this card performs there It really is an amazing card, and with the OC'ing utility from www.rage3d.com you easily OC it to full 8500 speeds and beyond, and the drivers have come a long way since the original Radeon cards Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5), > and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700 > when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE). > The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the > Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002. My system is an Athlon 1700XP. > How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card > over the Voodoo5 in these sims? I don't expect much of a boost in GPL, > since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out. > (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror. I > assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?) > F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of > pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37). > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

See other replies for the Win98 issue, as for the 8500, I did the swap myself a little while ago, and with an XP1900 it's really something else It's been a few weeks since I ran N2002 now, but I did a bit of benchmarking not too long ago, and with both the card (8500LE 128MB) and the CPU slightly OC'ed, 3DMark2001SE scores are in the mid 8000's, up from low to mid 2000's with a V5 I know it won't increase with 300% in N2002, but I know I went from running 8x6 with about medium details seeing the same FPS as you do to 1024x768 with just about everything on, and with about twice the FPS, testing at WG I often see 100+ FPS, I don't run GPL (horror) or F1-2002 (no interest) though, so I can't say how this card performs there It really is an amazing card, and with the OC'ing utility from www.rage3d.com you easily OC it to full 8500 speeds and beyond, and the drivers have come a long way since the original Radeon cards Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Thanks for that info, Goy. How difficult was it to remove the Voodoo5 drivers and configure the Radeon? Bert Goy Larsen wrote:

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> BRH wrote: > > > > I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5), > > and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700 > > when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE). > > > > The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the > > Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002. My system is an Athlon 1700XP. > > > > How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card > > over the Voodoo5 in these sims? I don't expect much of a boost in GPL, > > since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out. > > (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror. I > > assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?) > > F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of > > pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37). > > > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. > > See other replies for the Win98 issue, as for the 8500, I did the swap > myself a little while ago, and with an XP1900 it's really something else > > It's been a few weeks since I ran N2002 now, but I did a bit of > benchmarking not too long ago, and with both the card (8500LE 128MB) and > the CPU slightly OC'ed, 3DMark2001SE scores are in the mid 8000's, up > from low to mid 2000's with a V5 > > I know it won't increase with 300% in N2002, but I know I went from > running 8x6 with about medium details seeing the same FPS as you do to > 1024x768 with just about everything on, and with about twice the FPS, > testing at WG I often see 100+ FPS, I don't run GPL (horror) or F1-2002 > (no interest) though, so I can't say how this card performs there > > It really is an amazing card, and with the OC'ing utility from > www.rage3d.com you easily OC it to full 8500 speeds and beyond, and the > drivers have come a long way since the original Radeon cards > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Thanks for that info, Goy. How difficult was it to remove the Voodoo5 drivers and configure the Radeon? Bert

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> > I'm considering finally upgrading my Videocard (Currently a Voodoo5), > > and have my eye on the Radeon 8500. (I'd be interested in the newer 9700 > > when it's released, but I don't want to change my OS from Windows 98SE). > > The sims I run the most are GPL (the sole reason I've stuck with the > > Voodoo5 this long), NR2002 and F12002. My system is an Athlon 1700XP. > > How significant a performance increase could I expect with this card > > over the Voodoo5 in these sims? I don't expect much of a boost in GPL, > > since I'm presently using Glide and the graphics are almost maxed out. > > (BTW -- I've been using the Glide Wrapper with the centered mirror. I > > assume something like this is not available for the Radeon, right?) > > F12002 runs decently at 30-35 FPS, but NR2002's graphics are kind of > > pixellated and FPS jumps between 37 and 75 (usually 37). > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. > See other replies for the Win98 issue, as for the 8500, I did the swap > myself a little while ago, and with an XP1900 it's really something else > It's been a few weeks since I ran N2002 now, but I did a bit of > benchmarking not too long ago, and with both the card (8500LE 128MB) and > the CPU slightly OC'ed, 3DMark2001SE scores are in the mid 8000's, up > from low to mid 2000's with a V5 > I know it won't increase with 300% in N2002, but I know I went from > running 8x6 with about medium details seeing the same FPS as you do to > 1024x768 with just about everything on, and with about twice the FPS, > testing at WG I often see 100+ FPS, I don't run GPL (horror) or F1-2002 > (no interest) though, so I can't say how this card performs there > It really is an amazing card, and with the OC'ing utility from > www.rage3d.com you easily OC it to full 8500 speeds and beyond, and the > drivers have come a long way since the original Radeon cards > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > http://www.theuspits.com > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

BRH wrote: > > Thanks for that info, Goy. > > How difficult was it to remove the Voodoo5 drivers and configure the Radeon? Hi Bert Never removed the V5 drivers really, in this case I just switched over to the "standard PCI card", rebooted to make sure, and hen powered down, in with the R8500 and booted to W98 (lite), didn't use the drivers that came with the card as I've had nothing but problems with Hercules drives in the past, but used a set of drivers I found on www.rage3d.com (I think), can't remember the version number and I'm not near that computer right now I'm afraid That computer is used solely for Sim racing though and has no other software of any kind installed, not even a web browser or any AV software, so YMMV as they say Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

> Thanks for that info, Goy. > How difficult was it to remove the Voodoo5 drivers and configure the Radeon? Hi Bert Never removed the V5 drivers really, in this case I just switched over to the "standard PCI card", rebooted to make sure, and hen powered down, in with the R8500 and booted to W98 (lite), didn't use the drivers that came with the card as I've had nothing but problems with Hercules drives in the past, but used a set of drivers I found on www.rage3d.com (I think), can't remember the version number and I'm not near that computer right now I'm afraid That computer is used solely for Sim racing though and has no other software of any kind installed, not even a web browser or any AV software, so YMMV as they say Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--