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Re: OT: Michael Schumacher - interesting article on BBC

28 posts by 10 people · 10 Aug 2002 04:47 UTC - 12 Aug 2002 00:49 UTC

Flame warMichael Schumacher fans versus haters argument

Discussion of a BBC article and an old clip of Schumacher complaining about Damon Hill's blocking turned into an argument between Gerry Aitken and Ronald Stoehr over Schumacher 'fanboys' and 'hateboys'. Posters also discussed whether blocking is ever penalised in racing.

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Gerry Aitken 10 Aug 2002 06:48 UTC#104256
Joachim Trensz wrote: > > Hi Gerry, > > you can probably say that about some of his fans, and about some of those > who aren't ;-) I don't know why you're winking at me. I'm just a natural observer as far as F1 goes. AND I'm not anti any driver. It's just those fuckwit fans that get my goat. Gerry
Joachim Trensz wrote:
Quoted text (9 lines)> > Hi Gerry, > > The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referred to > you. > > I just thought that what you said can be said about some of his supporters, > and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither my comment > nor the wink were directed towards you.
ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules on the very arse of motorsport though. Cheers Gerry
I think it is a widespread misconception that there are drivers don't get excited, angry, nervous and who are always cool during the race. I think the strength of successful racers is that they are able to contain their emotions, and to blank their excitement, anger or nervousness out until after the race. Thus preventing these emotions from affecting their driving and their decisions. Mental strength isn't the absence of weaknesses, it's the capability to deal with them efficiently when necessary. Achim "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (14 lines)> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:25:40 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines02/08/s10264.html > > On the subkect of Schumacher, I finally found a page with my favorite > tv clip of him. He's talking to Fisichella about how Damon Hill was > blocking him at the Villeneuve circuit: > > http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > > I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > > Jason
Hi Gerry, The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referred to you. I just thought that what you said can be said about some of his supporters, and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither my comment nor the wink were directed towards you. Achim "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > > Hi Gerry, > > > > you can probably say that about some of his fans, and about some ofthose
Quoted text (7 lines)> > who aren't ;-) > > I don't know why you're winking at me. I'm just a natural observer as > far as F1 goes. AND I'm not anti any driver. It's just those fuckwit > fans that get my goat. > > Gerry
OK, so who does your weeping arse root for? Just curious. Todd "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > > Hi Gerry, > > > > The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referredto > > you. > > > > I just thought that what you said can be said about some of hissupporters, > > and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither mycomment
Quoted text (8 lines)> > nor the wink were directed towards you. > > ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules > on the very arse of motorsport though. > > Cheers > > Gerry
<g> Agreed :-) Achim "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > > Hi Gerry, > > > > The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referredto > > you. > > > > I just thought that what you said can be said about some of hissupporters, > > and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither mycomment
Quoted text (8 lines)> > nor the wink were directed towards you. > > ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules > on the very arse of motorsport though. > > Cheers > > Gerry
I think we're thinking in different categories. And if I understand this 'weeping arse' term correctly, our manners are also in different categories. Achim "JTBurn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Jq959.154533$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (28 lines)> OK, so who does your weeping arse root for? Just curious. > > Todd > > "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gerry, > > > > > > The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referred > to > > > you. > > > > > > I just thought that what you said can be said about some of his > supporters, > > > and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither my > comment > > > nor the wink were directed towards you. > > > > ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules > > on the very arse of motorsport though. > > > > Cheers > > > > Gerry > >
Quoted text (7 lines)> On the subkect of Schumacher, I finally found a page with my favorite > tv clip of him. He's talking to Fisichella about how Damon Hill was > blocking him at the Villeneuve circuit: > > http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > > I don't think I've ever seen him so animated.
Quite right too. It's only holier than though MS who is allowed to block or take another car out in order to win a championship. We all know that <G>...... MS
EldredP wrote:
Quoted text (10 lines)> > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason > moyer) writes: > > >http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > > > >I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > > I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > 'powers that be' give him a warning for that?
Rhetorical question ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--
adsale 10 Aug 2002 19:12 UTC#529730
Quoted text (8 lines)> moyer) writes: > >http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > >I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > 'powers that be' give him a warning for that?
Rhetorical question ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--
AFAI remember, neither Damon nor Michael got reprimanded. But I may be wrong. Achim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden](jason
Quoted text (16 lines)> moyer) writes: > > >http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > > > >I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > > I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > 'powers that be' give him a warning for that? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.09 > N2002 Rank:+22.329 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
Gerry Aitken schrieb:
Quoted text (14 lines)> Joachim Trensz wrote: > >>Hi Gerry, >> >>The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referred to >>you. >> >>I just thought that what you said can be said about some of his supporters, >>and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither my comment >>nor the wink were directed towards you. > > > ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules > on the very arse of motorsport though.
And the same can be said about MS's hateboys, right? l8er ronny
EldredP schrieb:
Quoted text (11 lines)> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason > moyer) writes: > > >>http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg >> >>I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > > > I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > 'powers that be' give him a warning for that?
Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff. l8er ronny
Ronald Stoehr wrote:
Quoted text (18 lines)> > Gerry Aitken schrieb: > > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > >>Hi Gerry, > >> > >>The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referred to > >>you. > >> > >>I just thought that what you said can be said about some of his supporters, > >>and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither my comment > >>nor the wink were directed towards you. > > > > > > ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules > > on the very arse of motorsport though. > > And the same can be said about MS's hateboys, right?
Yes.
Ronald Stoehr wrote:
Quoted text (21 lines)> > EldredP schrieb: > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason > > moyer) writes: > > > > > >>http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > >> > >>I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > > > > > > I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > > 'powers that be' give him a warning for that? > > Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the > only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL > > I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff. > > l8er > ronny
Fanboy turns up and talks shite.
Gerry Aitken schrieb:
Quoted text (27 lines)> Ronald Stoehr wrote: > >>EldredP schrieb: >> >>>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason >>>moyer) writes: >>> >>> >>> >>>>http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg >>>> >>>>I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. >>> >>> >>>I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the >>>'powers that be' give him a warning for that? >> >>Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the >>only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL >> >>I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff. >> >>l8er >>ronny > > > Fanboy turns up and talks shite.
Now hateboy shows his true face... ;) MS made a couple of mistakes in all those years, but strange enough loonies like you only see his mistakes... q.e.d. sneeringly ronny
In article <[email hidden]>, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> writes:
Quoted text (7 lines)>> I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the >> 'powers that be' give him a warning for that? > >Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the >only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL > >I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff.
I never said that. I simply asked a question. If you want to read something else into that, it's your choice... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
EldredP 11 Aug 2002 12:18 UTC#529732
writes: I never said that. I simply asked a question. If you want to read something else into that, it's your choice... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
EldredP schrieb:
Quoted text (15 lines)> In article <[email hidden]>, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >>>I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the >>>'powers that be' give him a warning for that? >> >>Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the >>only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL >> >>I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff. > > > I never said that. I simply asked a question. If you want to read something > else into that, it's your choice...
Sorry, until a couple of days ago I was reading the F1 ng. Your question sounded just like a question one of the MS hateboys would ask, so I jumped the gun. I need to get out of the aquired MS defense mode (not even close to a "fan" of MS), but that's what this ng is doing to me. l8er ronny
Ronald Stoehr wrote:
Quoted text (37 lines)> > Gerry Aitken schrieb: > > Ronald Stoehr wrote: > > > >>EldredP schrieb: > >> > >>>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason > >>>moyer) writes: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > >>>> > >>>>I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > >>> > >>> > >>>I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > >>>'powers that be' give him a warning for that? > >> > >>Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the > >>only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL > >> > >>I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff. > >> > >>l8er > >>ronny > > > > > > Fanboy turns up and talks shite. > > Now hateboy shows his true face... ;) > > MS made a couple of mistakes in all those years, but strange enough > loonies like you only see his mistakes... q.e.d. > > sneeringly > ronny
You should read the whole thread then maybe your contributions wouldn't be the shite they are. I don't waste my time hating MS or arguing about who was more at fault in any particular incident. I just enjoy watching that kind of close racing. I don't throw all my toys out of the pram because other people slag off my hero either.
EldredP wrote:
Quoted text (14 lines)> > In article <[email hidden]>, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >> I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > >> 'powers that be' give him a warning for that? > > > >Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the > >only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL > > > >I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff. > > I never said that. I simply asked a question. If you want to read something > else into that, it's your choice...
That's just what this guy always does. He grabs the wrong end of the stick, smears it with shite, then tries to hand it back to you. Cheers Gerry
In article <[email hidden]>, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> writes:
Quoted text (9 lines)>> I never said that. I simply asked a question. If you want to read >something >> else into that, it's your choice... > >Sorry, until a couple of days ago I was reading the F1 ng. >Your question sounded just like a question one of the MS hateboys >would ask, so I jumped the gun. I need to get out of the aquired >MS defense mode (not even close to a "fan" of MS), but that's what >this ng is doing to me.
Apology accepted. But you do bring up an interesting point. I've never seen anyone penalized for blocking. At least, I don't *remember* seeing it. Who was the last? Also, you have to admit that certain drivers tend to get the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't matter what race series. Same thing happens in other sports as well. A player like Cal Ripken, Jr. might get a higher percent of judgement calls than someone like John Rocker. Doesn't make it right, and it might not happen as often as people like to think, but it DOES happen... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
"EldredP" > > Also, you have to admit that certain drivers tend to get the benefit ofthe > doubt. Doesn't matter what race series. Same thing happens in othersports as > well. A player like Cal Ripken, Jr. might get a higher percent ofjudgement > calls than someone like John Rocker. Doesn't make it right, and it mightnot > happen as often as people like to think, but it DOES happen... > > Eldred > -- Ha! thanks Eldred for opening the door. heheh Did you know, rumour has it, that Cal Ripken's streak is tainted?? Yessir. Apparently the gossip and I use that word because all I've heard about it is gossip :) is this. Baltimore, for whom Ripkin played, had a game rained out. No big deal it happens all the time. But here is the reason. Supposedly Ripkin was NOT at the ballpark, supposedly he was at a hospital(or as our UK friends would say..at hospital) receiving medical attention after getting in a fist fight with Kevin Costner.(yes the actor) Ripkin had returned home before a game and found Costner in bed with Ripkin's wife. The fight that followed didn't seriously injure either participant, but did necessitate a trip to the hospital( or as our UK viewers would say...a trip to hospital) The Team owner, realizing that a huge future attendance payday would be lost if the streak was broken, convinced the umps..($$??) to cancel the game even tho the weather was barely foggy let alone downpouring. There you have it...totally off topic and completely hi-jacking the thread...what were you guys talking about anyhow???? dave henrie
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:05:57 +0200, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote: >MS made a couple of mistakes in all those years, but strange enough >loonies like you only see his mistakes... q.e.d. I dunno, if I only made a few mistakes but they were "Adelaide 1994" and "Jerez 1997" I'd hang my head in shame. =) Jason
On 11 Aug 2002 17:33:57 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Apology accepted. >But you do bring up an interesting point. I've never seen anyone penalized for >blocking. At least, I don't *remember* seeing it. Who was the last? I don't think any racing series penalizes for blocking if the cars are fighting for position. In F1 blocking happens all the time and goes hand in hand with pit strategy, since a lot of times teams will leave their #2 driver out longer than the #1 driver in order to act as a blocker. I don't remember seeing a "block" strategy option in Grand Prix Manager, tho. =) Otherwise, in F1 you have to move over after the third blue flag if you're not on the same lap. Coulthard took advantage of this rule a few years ago (Suzuka 99? I forget) to hold up one of the Ferraris for the full 3 flags. Jason

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