On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:25:40 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]>
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>http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines02/08/s10264.html
On the subkect of Schumacher, I finally found a page with my favorite
tv clip of him. He's talking to Fisichella about how Damon Hill was
blocking him at the Villeneuve circuit:
http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg
I don't think I've ever seen him so animated.
Jason
Flame warMichael Schumacher fans versus haters argument
Discussion of a BBC article and an old clip of Schumacher complaining about Damon Hill's blocking turned into an argument between Gerry Aitken and Ronald Stoehr over Schumacher 'fanboys' and 'hateboys'. Posters also discussed whether blocking is ever penalised in racing.
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Joachim Trensz wrote:
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> Hi Gerry,
>
> you can probably say that about some of his fans, and about some of those
> who aren't ;-)
I don't know why you're winking at me. I'm just a natural observer as
far as F1 goes. AND I'm not anti any driver. It's just those fuckwit
fans that get my goat.
Gerry
Joachim Trensz wrote:
ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules
on the very arse of motorsport though.
Cheers
Gerry
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> > Hi Gerry, > > The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referred to > you. > > I just thought that what you said can be said about some of his supporters, > and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither my comment > nor the wink were directed towards you.I think it is a widespread misconception that there are drivers don't get
excited, angry, nervous and who are always cool during the race.
I think the strength of successful racers is that they are able to contain
their emotions, and to blank their excitement, anger or nervousness out
until after the race. Thus preventing these emotions from affecting their
driving and their decisions.
Mental strength isn't the absence of weaknesses, it's the capability to deal
with them efficiently when necessary.
Achim
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> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:25:40 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines02/08/s10264.html > > On the subkect of Schumacher, I finally found a page with my favorite > tv clip of him. He's talking to Fisichella about how Damon Hill was > blocking him at the Villeneuve circuit: > > http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > > I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > > JasonHi Gerry,
The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referred to
you.
I just thought that what you said can be said about some of his supporters,
and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither my comment
nor the wink were directed towards you.
Achim
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> > Hi Gerry,
> >
> > you can probably say that about some of his fans, and about some ofthose
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> > who aren't ;-) > > I don't know why you're winking at me. I'm just a natural observer as > far as F1 goes. AND I'm not anti any driver. It's just those fuckwit > fans that get my goat. > > GerryOK, so who does your weeping arse root for? Just curious.
Todd
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> Joachim Trensz wrote:
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> > Hi Gerry,
> >
> > The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referredto
> > you.
> >
> > I just thought that what you said can be said about some of hissupporters,
> > and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither mycomment
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> > nor the wink were directed towards you. > > ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules > on the very arse of motorsport though. > > Cheers > > Gerry<g>
Agreed :-)
Achim
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> Joachim Trensz wrote:
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> > Hi Gerry,
> >
> > The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referredto
> > you.
> >
> > I just thought that what you said can be said about some of hissupporters,
> > and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither mycomment
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> > nor the wink were directed towards you. > > ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules > on the very arse of motorsport though. > > Cheers > > GerryI think we're thinking in different categories. And if I understand this
'weeping arse' term correctly, our manners are also in different categories.
Achim
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> OK, so who does your weeping arse root for? Just curious. > > Todd > > "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gerry, > > > > > > The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referred > to > > > you. > > > > > > I just thought that what you said can be said about some of his > supporters, > > > and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither my > comment > > > nor the wink were directed towards you. > > > > ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules > > on the very arse of motorsport though. > > > > Cheers > > > > Gerry > >Quoted text (7 lines)
> On the subkect of Schumacher, I finally found a page with my favorite > tv clip of him. He's talking to Fisichella about how Damon Hill was > blocking him at the Villeneuve circuit: > > http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > > I don't think I've ever seen him so animated.In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason
moyer) writes:
>http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg
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>I don't think I've ever seen him so animated.
I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the
'powers that be' give him a warning for that?
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Rhetorical question ?
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> > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason > moyer) writes: > > >http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > > > >I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > > I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > 'powers that be' give him a warning for that?Quoted text (8 lines)
> moyer) writes: > >http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > >I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > 'powers that be' give him a warning for that?AFAI remember, neither Damon nor Michael got reprimanded. But I may be
wrong.
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> moyer) writes: > > >http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > > > >I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > > I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > 'powers that be' give him a warning for that? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.09 > N2002 Rank:+22.329 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.Gerry Aitken schrieb:
And the same can be said about MS's hateboys, right?
l8er
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> Joachim Trensz wrote: > >>Hi Gerry, >> >>The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referred to >>you. >> >>I just thought that what you said can be said about some of his supporters, >>and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither my comment >>nor the wink were directed towards you. > > > ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules > on the very arse of motorsport though.EldredP schrieb:
Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the
only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL
I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff.
l8er
ronny
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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason > moyer) writes: > > >>http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg >> >>I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > > > I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > 'powers that be' give him a warning for that?JTBurn wrote:
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> OK, so who does your weeping arse root for? Just curious.
No one, I just want to see a good close race.
Ronald Stoehr wrote:
Yes.
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> > Gerry Aitken schrieb: > > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > >>Hi Gerry, > >> > >>The wink wasn't directed at you in the sense that the comment referred to > >>you. > >> > >>I just thought that what you said can be said about some of his supporters, > >>and about some of those who adopt the opposite stance. Neither my comment > >>nor the wink were directed towards you. > > > > > > ok mate, i get you. I still think MS's fanboys are the weeping pustules > > on the very arse of motorsport though. > > And the same can be said about MS's hateboys, right?Ronald Stoehr wrote:
Fanboy turns up and talks shite.
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> > EldredP schrieb: > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason > > moyer) writes: > > > > > >>http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > >> > >>I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > > > > > > I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > > 'powers that be' give him a warning for that? > > Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the > only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL > > I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff. > > l8er > ronnyGerry Aitken schrieb:
Now hateboy shows his true face... ;)
MS made a couple of mistakes in all those years, but strange enough
loonies like you only see his mistakes... q.e.d.
sneeringly
ronny
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> Ronald Stoehr wrote: > >>EldredP schrieb: >> >>>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason >>>moyer) writes: >>> >>> >>> >>>>http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg >>>> >>>>I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. >>> >>> >>>I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the >>>'powers that be' give him a warning for that? >> >>Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the >>only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL >> >>I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff. >> >>l8er >>ronny > > > Fanboy turns up and talks shite.In article <[email hidden]>, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]>
writes:
I never said that. I simply asked a question. If you want to read something
else into that, it's your choice...
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>> I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the >> 'powers that be' give him a warning for that? > >Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the >only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL > >I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff.writes:
I never said that. I simply asked a question. If you want to read something
else into that, it's your choice...
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Sorry, until a couple of days ago I was reading the F1 ng.
Your question sounded just like a question one of the MS hateboys
would ask, so I jumped the gun. I need to get out of the aquired
MS defense mode (not even close to a "fan" of MS), but that's what
this ng is doing to me.
l8er
ronny
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> In article <[email hidden]>, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >>>I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the >>>'powers that be' give him a warning for that? >> >>Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the >>only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL >> >>I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff. > > > I never said that. I simply asked a question. If you want to read something > else into that, it's your choice...Ronald Stoehr wrote:
You should read the whole thread then maybe your contributions wouldn't
be the shite they are.
I don't waste my time hating MS or arguing about who was more at fault
in any particular incident. I just enjoy watching that kind of close
racing.
I don't throw all my toys out of the pram because other people slag off
my hero either.
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> > Gerry Aitken schrieb: > > Ronald Stoehr wrote: > > > >>EldredP schrieb: > >> > >>>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason > >>>moyer) writes: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>http://bil.zon.se/filmer/f1/1998/canada20.mpeg > >>>> > >>>>I don't think I've ever seen him so animated. > >>> > >>> > >>>I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > >>>'powers that be' give him a warning for that? > >> > >>Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the > >>only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL > >> > >>I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff. > >> > >>l8er > >>ronny > > > > > > Fanboy turns up and talks shite. > > Now hateboy shows his true face... ;) > > MS made a couple of mistakes in all those years, but strange enough > loonies like you only see his mistakes... q.e.d. > > sneeringly > ronnyEldredP wrote:
That's just what this guy always does. He grabs the wrong end of the
stick, smears it with shite, then tries to hand it back to you.
Cheers
Gerry
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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >> I noticed that in the on-track footage, Michael cut the chicane. Did the > >> 'powers that be' give him a warning for that? > > > >Hill was dangerously jumping around the race track blocking MS and the > >only question you have is if they punished MS... LOL > > > >I forgot, only MS is doing the naughty stuff. > > I never said that. I simply asked a question. If you want to read something > else into that, it's your choice...In article <[email hidden]>, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]>
writes:
Apology accepted.
But you do bring up an interesting point. I've never seen anyone penalized for
blocking. At least, I don't *remember* seeing it. Who was the last?
Also, you have to admit that certain drivers tend to get the benefit of the
doubt. Doesn't matter what race series. Same thing happens in other sports as
well. A player like Cal Ripken, Jr. might get a higher percent of judgement
calls than someone like John Rocker. Doesn't make it right, and it might not
happen as often as people like to think, but it DOES happen...
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>> I never said that. I simply asked a question. If you want to read >something >> else into that, it's your choice... > >Sorry, until a couple of days ago I was reading the F1 ng. >Your question sounded just like a question one of the MS hateboys >would ask, so I jumped the gun. I need to get out of the aquired >MS defense mode (not even close to a "fan" of MS), but that's what >this ng is doing to me.
"EldredP" >
> Also, you have to admit that certain drivers tend to get the benefit ofthe
> doubt. Doesn't matter what race series. Same thing happens in othersports as
> well. A player like Cal Ripken, Jr. might get a higher percent ofjudgement
> calls than someone like John Rocker. Doesn't make it right, and it mightnot
> happen as often as people like to think, but it DOES happen...
>
> Eldred
> -- Ha! thanks Eldred for opening the door. heheh
Did you know, rumour has it, that Cal Ripken's streak is tainted?? Yessir.
Apparently the gossip and I use that word because all I've heard about it is
gossip :) is this.
Baltimore, for whom Ripkin played, had a game rained out. No big deal it
happens all the time. But here is the reason. Supposedly Ripkin was NOT at
the ballpark, supposedly he was at a hospital(or as our UK friends would
say..at hospital) receiving medical attention after getting in a fist fight
with Kevin Costner.(yes the actor) Ripkin had returned home before a game
and found Costner in bed with Ripkin's wife. The fight that followed didn't
seriously injure either participant, but did necessitate a trip to the
hospital( or as our UK viewers would say...a trip to hospital)
The Team owner, realizing that a huge future attendance payday would be
lost if the streak was broken, convinced the umps..($$??) to cancel the game
even tho the weather was barely foggy let alone downpouring.
There you have it...totally off topic and completely hi-jacking the
thread...what were you guys talking about anyhow????
dave henrie
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:05:57 +0200, Ronald Stoehr
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>MS made a couple of mistakes in all those years, but strange enough
>loonies like you only see his mistakes... q.e.d.
I dunno, if I only made a few mistakes but they were "Adelaide 1994"
and "Jerez 1997" I'd hang my head in shame. =)
Jason
On 11 Aug 2002 17:33:57 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:
>Apology accepted.
>But you do bring up an interesting point. I've never seen anyone penalized for
>blocking. At least, I don't *remember* seeing it. Who was the last?
I don't think any racing series penalizes for blocking if the cars are
fighting for position. In F1 blocking happens all the time and goes
hand in hand with pit strategy, since a lot of times teams will leave
their #2 driver out longer than the #1 driver in order to act as a
blocker. I don't remember seeing a "block" strategy option in Grand
Prix Manager, tho. =)
Otherwise, in F1 you have to move over after the third blue flag if
you're not on the same lap. Coulthard took advantage of this rule a
few years ago (Suzuka 99? I forget) to hold up one of the Ferraris
for the full 3 flags.
Jason


































