im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave
Noonans site today?
pez
Waiting for Dave Noonan's NASCAR 2002 track converter
Fans eagerly awaited Dave Noonan's paid converter bringing ICR2 and GPL tracks to NASCAR Racing 2002, with Joachim Trensz saying it was imminent. Scott Husted raised concerns about pirate sites stealing content, and the thread drifted to modem latency in online racing.
mods/tracks/carsNASCAR Racing 2002 Season
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With all the content theft going on out there by some 1/2 @ss sim racing
sites, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't release it.
Scott
PA-Scott
The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com
--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.Husted.cc
"Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave
> Noonans site today?
>
> pez
>
>
Me to Alex,
I have the site bookmarked and am waiting anxiously for
any sign of a converter :)
http://www.sim-garage.co.uk/
"Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave
> Noonans site today?
>
> pez
>
>
"Scott B. Husted" wrote:
>
> With all the content theft going on out there by some 1/2 @ss sim racing
> sites, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't release it.
No need to offend 1/2 @ss sim racing sites Scott, let's call them by
their true name, pirate sites, most of whom has never produced a single
item of their own and who's only contribution to the sim acing world has
been to DL a copy of Front Page and use every setting and option in
there to produce garish and ugly graphics in the belief that they
actually have taste......and talent, so they can post stuff "someone"
has e-mailed them, and then they use their message boards to make fun of
the original creators afterwards
Quite frankly I don't understand why the talented people of the
community bothers anymore, I'd chucked it in ages ago, I guess the
appreciation from the regular guys out there is what keeps them going,
and I'm not talking only about David Noonan and the rest of the guys at
"The Pits" either, there are plenty of sites out there who do a great
service to the community, so maybe that's what we all should do, head on
over to our fav sites and show our appreciation for all the work they do
for the rest of us
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
> sites, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't release it.
their true name, pirate sites, most of whom has never produced a single
item of their own and who's only contribution to the sim acing world has
been to DL a copy of Front Page and use every setting and option in
there to produce garish and ugly graphics in the belief that they
actually have taste......and talent, so they can post stuff "someone"
has e-mailed them, and then they use their message boards to make fun of
the original creators afterwards
Quite frankly I don't understand why the talented people of the
community bothers anymore, I'd chucked it in ages ago, I guess the
appreciation from the regular guys out there is what keeps them going,
and I'm not talking only about David Noonan and the rest of the guys at
"The Pits" either, there are plenty of sites out there who do a great
service to the community, so maybe that's what we all should do, head on
over to our fav sites and show our appreciation for all the work they do
for the rest of us
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
whats the official word, should i go to bed?
pez
"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> With all the content theft going on out there by some 1/2 @ss sim racing > sites, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't release it. > > Scott > PA-Scott > The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com > > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aj9564$jje$[email hidden]... > > im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave > > Noonans site today? > > > > pez > > > > > >I would blame him if he didnt release it because of that. What would he be
doing the conversion for, the community or for himself??? I mean, if every
developer stopped developing because of piracy, there would have been no
Office or Windows XP. I'll be buying the converter if he charges and I
admire his work but this is still only a game the last time I checked ...
And, btw, one of his so called "friends" is the one screwing him over,
that's what ticks me off. Someone he trusts is sending out his stuff to
other people. I hope he starts putting the name of every person he sends the
file to in each individual exe of the converter and then he'll know who's
doing it.
Just an opinion,
Phillip
"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> With all the content theft going on out there by some 1/2 @ss sim racing > sites, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't release it. > > Scott > PA-Scott > The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com > > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aj9564$jje$[email hidden]... > > im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave > > Noonans site today? > > > > pez > > > > > >
Although a part of me could understand the disgust of having you're
intellectual
properties outright stolen, Like Phillip say's who is Dave writing the
converters
for ? guys like myself who have paid for the previous converters and are
looking
forward to his new project, or himself.
My assumption is that Dave gets a good deal of pleasure out of his work
along
with the efforts involved, and I can only hope that he releases his current
project to
the paying public.
He definitely deserves to make some money for his efforts, That's free
enterprise
at its absolute best :) God I love the freedom to better my own situation
better.
If unscrupulous types want to post his work, then I for one would be
happy to let
Dave know of the situation so he could take appropriate actions.
It would be a shame indeed if a minority of "Butt Heads" screws up a good
thing
for the majority of honest people out there.
Best regards
TBone server
Bring on them road courses :))
"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I would blame him if he didnt release it because of that. What would he be > doing the conversion for, the community or for himself??? I mean, if every > developer stopped developing because of piracy, there would have been no > Office or Windows XP. I'll be buying the converter if he charges and I > admire his work but this is still only a game the last time I checked ... > > And, btw, one of his so called "friends" is the one screwing him over, > that's what ticks me off. Someone he trusts is sending out his stuff to > other people. I hope he starts putting the name of every person he sendsQuoted text (34 lines)
> file to in each individual exe of the converter and then he'll know who's > doing it. > > Just an opinion, > Phillip > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b9V59.6381$[email hidden]... > > With all the content theft going on out there by some 1/2 @ss sim racing > > sites, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't release it. > > > > Scott > > PA-Scott > > The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com > > > > -- > > Scott B. Husted > > PA-Scott > > ICQ# 4395450 > > http://www.Husted.cc > > > > > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:aj9564$jje$[email hidden]... > > > im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave > > > Noonans site today? > > > > > > pez > > > > > > > > > > > >
"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> the community or for himself???
If he charges for it - himself. If he doesnt, Himself and the community
Doug
Well .... I dont have a problem with him charging for all the work he's done
...
"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > the community or for himself??? > > If he charges for it - himself. If he doesnt, Himself and the community > > Doug > >BTW - I do NOT speak for Dave.
I'm simply stating my opinion as a member of The Pits and knowing all the
troubles Jan goes through attempting to keep people from stealing others
work. Dave and all the others at the Pits (And others who share and work
with The Pits) deserve better than to have their content blatantly copied
and posted on some piss ant sim racing website when it is clearly displayed
all over the Pits about not doing so. They could simply provide a link to
the site and be done with it.
Not to mention when people use the converter to convert tracks, and then
post those tracks for download. Whether Dave charges or not is irrelevant
IMHO.
--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.Husted.cc
ive been driving road america in icr2 with the keyboard (xp dont like my
wheel with old dos games) to refresh my memory, ahhh, a great track.
cheers AT.
pez
"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Alex, the converter might become available sometime tomorrow during theday.
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> It's very near now. > > Achim > > > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aj9564$jje$[email hidden]... > > im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave > > Noonans site today? > > > > pez > > >
"Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> ive been driving road america in icr2 with the keyboard (xp dont like my
> wheel with old dos games) to refresh my memory, ahhh, a great track.
>
> cheers AT.
Find the modded track for Heat or better yet get the very cheap AMA
SUperbike if you really want to drive Road America. Those old ICR2 efforts
were good back then, but are woefully inaacurate by even F1 200x standards.
dave henrie
Alex, the converter might become available sometime tomorrow during the day.
It's very near now.
Achim
"Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave
> Noonans site today?
>
> pez
I can't talk about Road America, but there's always been talk about how
inaccurate Papy's Laguna is, but when I recently saw a bike race at Laguna
it didn't appear that far off at all...?
Achim
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> SUperbike if you really want to drive Road America. Those old ICR2efforts
> were good back then, but are woefully inaacurate by even F1 200xstandards.
"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I can't talk about Road America, but there's always been talk about how
> inaccurate Papy's Laguna is, but when I recently saw a bike race at Laguna
> it didn't appear that far off at all...?
>
> Achim
> Papyrus was the FIRST company that got the illusion of elevation right.
After running ICR2's Laguna then playing the CPR demo...I thought the CPR
track was flat. There was zero immersion compared to Papy. The biggest
problem with their Laguna is the track has changed it's configuration
sligtly since it was modeled. they did a great job for it's time, but the
last turn is different, the pit lane entrance has changed, there are several
items that make it not horrible just out of date.
Now Mid Ohio and Road America...those are more out sync with today's
real track, there are many elevation changes that are just not there, the
bend at the end of the backstraight of Mid Ohio is really a short straight
itself in ICR2 etc etc
The last version of Portland that papy did for the N3 trucks was SPOT
on. I wish they could get some private group together to redo all the old
icr2 tracks with the accuracy that they displayed with the updated Portland.
Street circuits like Long Beach have whole new sections that don't
exist in the old tracks....
Hopefully the F1 2001 based Cart World Series is still being
developed...(ANYBODY KNOW????)
At least then we may get some decent American tracks.
dave henrie
just ordered it.....refreshing outlook every 30 seconds....
CMON!
pez
"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Alex, the converter might become available sometime tomorrow during theday.
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> It's very near now. > > Achim > > > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aj9564$jje$[email hidden]... > > im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave > > Noonans site today? > > > > pez > > >Thanks for the info Dave. This was an interesting read.
Achim
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > I can't talk about Road America, but there's always been talk about how
> > inaccurate Papy's Laguna is, but when I recently saw a bike race atLaguna
the
> last turn is different, the pit lane entrance has changed, there areseveral
> items that make it not horrible just out of date.
> Now Mid Ohio and Road America...those are more out sync with today's
> real track, there are many elevation changes that are just not there, the
> bend at the end of the backstraight of Mid Ohio is really a short straight
> itself in ICR2 etc etc
> The last version of Portland that papy did for the N3 trucks wasSPOT
> on. I wish they could get some private group together to redo all the old
> icr2 tracks with the accuracy that they displayed with the updatedPortland.
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> > it didn't appear that far off at all...? > > > > Achim > > > Papyrus was the FIRST company that got the illusion of elevation right. > After running ICR2's Laguna then playing the CPR demo...I thought the CPR > track was flat. There was zero immersion compared to Papy. The biggest > problem with their Laguna is the track has changed it's configuration > sligtly since it was modeled. they did a great job for it's time, butQuoted text (8 lines)
> Street circuits like Long Beach have whole new sections that don't > exist in the old tracks.... > Hopefully the F1 2001 based Cart World Series is still being > developed...(ANYBODY KNOW????) > At least then we may get some decent American tracks. > dave henrie > >get a 56k modem, just like me :)
pez
"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> It's a shame I can't race online since two days ago my ADSL modem blew up,
> and with a move to another country imminent in two weeks it would be
> nonsense to buy a new one here. I just hope these tracks get hosted oftenon
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> WON when I come back online. > > Achim > > > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aje2a1$llh$[email hidden]... > > just ordered it.....refreshing outlook every 30 seconds.... > > > > CMON! > > > > pez > >It's a shame I can't race online since two days ago my ADSL modem blew up,
and with a move to another country imminent in two weeks it would be
nonsense to buy a new one here. I just hope these tracks get hosted often on
WON when I come back online.
Achim
"Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> just ordered it.....refreshing outlook every 30 seconds....
>
> CMON!
>
> pez
Did you and I race each other a couple of times on WON in WG fixed setup
races? If so, then indeed I'll try the 56k modem for the time being (it's
what I'm using right now). Your car was really smooth at all times - I'd
never thought that could be done with a 56 modem.
I think I've just been spoiled by several years of ISDN and ADSL :-)
Achim
"Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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up,
> > and with a move to another country imminent in two weeks it would be
> > nonsense to buy a new one here. I just hope these tracks get hostedoften
> on
> > WON when I come back online.
> >
> > Achim
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> get a 56k modem, just like me :) > > pez > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ajehcn$1a44qp$[email hidden]... > > It's a shame I can't race online since two days ago my ADSL modem blewyep that were me :)
pez
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> Did you and I race each other a couple of times on WON in WG fixed setup > races? If so, then indeed I'll try the 56k modem for the time being (it's > what I'm using right now). Your car was really smooth at all times - I'd > never thought that could be done with a 56 modem. > > I think I've just been spoiled by several years of ISDN and ADSL :-) > > Achim > > > > "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ajen26$185$[email hidden]... > > get a 56k modem, just like me :) > > > > pez > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ajehcn$1a44qp$[email hidden]... > > > It's a shame I can't race online since two days ago my ADSL modem blew > up, > > > and with a move to another country imminent in two weeks it would be > > > nonsense to buy a new one here. I just hope these tracks get hosted > often > > on > > > WON when I come back online. > > > > > > Achim > > >Well I just tried the modem on WON and it didn't go bad at all - lat was
around 300 - 330. Encourageing :-)
Achim
"Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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(it's
> > what I'm using right now). Your car was really smooth at all times - I'd
> > never thought that could be done with a 56 modem.
> >
> > I think I've just been spoiled by several years of ISDN and ADSL :-)
> >
> > Achim
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> yep that were me :) > > pez > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ajfm3b$1ba061$[email hidden]... > > Did you and I race each other a couple of times on WON in WG fixed setup > > races? If so, then indeed I'll try the 56k modem for the time being300-330 is sick. We use to race on TEN with 150-175 range.
In article <ajhcvt$1atdsq$[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
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> Well I just tried the modem on WON and it didn't go bad at all - lat was > around 300 - 330. Encourageing :-) > > Achim > >Works quite well in N2002. Cars are sufficiently stable, even those with a
similarly high lat. The whole network code has improved a lot since TEN...
Achim
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> 300-330 is sick. We use to race on TEN with 150-175 range. > > In article <ajhcvt$1atdsq$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > Well I just tried the modem on WON and it didn't go bad at all - lat was > > around 300 - 330. Encourageing :-) > > > > Achim > > > > > >Latency doesn't matter, it's the quality you have. I raced on TEN/Won with
latencies at 300-400, and I never had any problems. If your quality is
sketchy, then you will have problems.
--
Tim Doyle
TDRacin� Online
VRW Team Owner
www.VirtualRacingWorld.com
"Desk400" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> 300-330 is sick. We use to race on TEN with 150-175 range.
>
> In article <ajhcvt$1atdsq$[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
> says...
> > Well I just tried the modem on WON and it didn't go bad at all - lat was
> > around 300 - 330. Encourageing :-)
> >
> > Achim
>
> >
> >
>
im almost always between 200 and 400 to american servers, and im only warpy
if theres a quality issue.
pez
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