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Time:4pm eastern Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered at John's website. Track: Michigan Pit speed limit - 55mph Pace speed - 65mph 40% distance, fixed setup(fast) Read the rules here:http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ With the exception of the "don't hog the low line" rule, all others are in effect. Along with a new rule - no racing back to yellow. Some drivers seem to have a problem with that, and a 1-car spin turns into "The Big One". So if a yellow flag comes out, ease up and hold station. Bring your best game, gents... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hope to be there. Broke a finger today but it's not my middle finger so I should be OK : ) Dan

Forced chat is supposed to be a new rule. David G FIsher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Time:4pm eastern > Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered atJohn's

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> website. > Track: Michigan > Pit speed limit - 55mph > Pace speed - 65mph > 40% distance, fixed setup(fast) > Read the rules here:http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > With the exception of the "don't hog the low line" rule, all others are in > effect. Along with a new rule - no racing back to yellow. Some drivers

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> a yellow flag comes out, ease up and hold station. Bring your best game, > gents... :-) > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.09 > N2002 Rank:+22.329 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Time:4pm eastern > Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered > at John's website. > Track: Michigan > Pit speed limit - 55mph > Pace speed - 65mph > 40% distance, fixed setup(fast) > Read the rules here:http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > With the exception of the "don't hog the low line" rule, all others > are in effect. Along with a new rule - no racing back to yellow. > Some drivers seem to have a problem with that, and a 1-car spin turns > into "The Big One". So if a yellow flag comes out, ease up and hold > station. Bring your best game, gents... :-) > > Eldred

Hi, If I can make it I'll be happy to join. But my SierraID on John's Website is wrong - should be JLe I informed him already on racesimcentral.com, but hope you can fix it already :) Cu on track

In article <eal79.36740$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >Forced chat is supposed to be a new rule. Correct - I forgot that. I always run with chat enabled, so I never thought of it. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Jle <[email hidden]> writes: >But my SierraID on John's Website is wrong - should be JLe >I informed him already on racesimcentral.com, but hope you can fix it >already :) Gotcha. That's a good reminder - make sure your driver ID as shown on the webpage(in parenthases) is correct. That's what I used to create the invite list. Correct means making sure it has the right dashes, underlines, spaces, etc. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Time:4pm eastern > Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered at John's > website. > Track: Michigan > Pit speed limit - 55mph > Pace speed - 65mph > 40% distance, fixed setup(fast) > Read the rules here:http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > With the exception of the "don't hog the low line" rule, all others are in > effect. Along with a new rule - no racing back to yellow. Some drivers seem > to have a problem with that, and a 1-car spin turns into "The Big One". So if > a yellow flag comes out, ease up and hold station. Bring your best game, > gents... :-) > > Eldred >

Well, I still think that running the bottom line all the way around is not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Are you talking about staying on the bottom even on the straights? Does that even work? If so it seems to me there is a serious flaw in NR2002's physics. If that was faster in real life we would see drivers doing that in real life too, but they don't. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Well, I still think that running the bottom line all the way around is > not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) > ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. >

On 17 Aug 2002 09:05:52 GMT, Jle <[email hidden]> wrote: > [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> Time:4pm eastern >> Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered Hi folks, I hope to be able to join after a string of absences, too. Prepare for the racing penguin ;-) cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Well, I still think that running the bottom line all the way around is > not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) > ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. > Can you explain what you mean by "running the bottom line" ? I always try to run the ideal racing line, and in the turns this is the bottom line. And for defending the inside when fighting for position; isnt that part of racing? So you confuse me when you find that unsportsmanlike.

John... Just my "two cents".....but the issue of where damaged, down-on-power, or just slow....race cars run is essentially different for each track (or each track type). Running "on the bottom" would be appropriate for places like Michigan, California for "slow" cars. Not appropriate at Daytona and Talladega. It would also not be appropriate for any of the road courses....but that becomes a whole separate discussion, really. In Winston Cup, this is generally covered in each driver's meeting on race-day morning (also the minimum speed you must maintain or face a black flag is announced at the driver's meeting). RASCAR could do the same, list it with the rest of the driver's meeting info Eldred posts. The other possibility for RASCAR, is to adopt a rule that damaged, or otherwise slow cars should exit the race. Its not a points race, so why drive around slow and take chances of interfering with the other's race? As I said, this is just my two cents on the matter. TP "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Time:4pm eastern > > Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered atJohn's

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> > website. > > Track: Michigan > > Pit speed limit - 55mph > > Pace speed - 65mph > > 40% distance, fixed setup(fast) > > Read the rules here:http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > With the exception of the "don't hog the low line" rule, all others are

in > > effect. Along with a new rule - no racing back to yellow. Some driversseem > > to have a problem with that, and a 1-car spin turns into "The Big One".So if > > a yellow flag comes out, ease up and hold station. Bring your bestgame,

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> > gents... :-) > > > > Eldred > > > > Well, I still think that running the bottom line all the way around is > not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) > ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. > > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

In article <ajlp32$1cie51$[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> writes: >Are you talking about staying on the bottom even on the straights? Does >that even work? If so it seems to me there is a serious flaw in >NR2002's physics. If that was faster in real life we would see drivers >doing that in real life too, but they don't. No it DOESN'T always work. I've been passed on the outside at Daytona, and the guy didn't have any problems. I couldn't do anything to stop him. Pissed me off because it cost me my first N# league win. Grrr... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

That's preciusely what I mean. Some folks in pickup races have taken to hugging the apron for the entire race, asnd this makes it IMPOSSIBLE (or at least almost impossible) for anyone to pass them. IMHO, this is NOT what racing is all about. In article <ajlp32$1cie51$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Are you talking about staying on the bottom even on the straights? Does > that even work? If so it seems to me there is a serious flaw in > NR2002's physics. If that was faster in real life we would see drivers > doing that in real life too, but they don't. > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Well, I still think that running the bottom line all the way around is > > not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) > > ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. > > > > >

-- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

C'mon guys, use some common sense when you read this stuff. Read what I wrote again. It says: "running the bottom line all the way around is not sportsmanlike" That means getting on the inside line and staying there all the way around the track, whether you're passing for position or not. This is typically not a problem except on the larger ovals, and is a particular problem at the superspeedways (Dega and Daytona). IMHO, this kind of behavior is akin to blocking - it's just plain fucked up. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > Well, I still think that running the bottom line all the way around is > > not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) > > ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. > > > Can you explain what you mean by "running the bottom line" ? > > I always try to run the ideal racing line, and in the turns this is the > bottom line. > And for defending the inside when fighting for position; isnt that part of > racing? > > So you confuse me when you find that unsportsmanlike. > >

-- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

The following roster pages have been updated: - "Welcome" page (seen when you first bring up the roster page) - "Rules" page (click "Rules" in the table of contents) - "Roster Instructions" page (click "Roster" in the table of contents) Keep in mind that everything there is in a state of flux and is always open for civilized discussion. Go here to see it: http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Eldred, What if someone wants to race with you today, and they're either new to RASCAR or raced before but didn't do the website thing? Thx -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Time:4pm eastern > Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered at John's > website. > Track: Michigan > Pit speed limit - 55mph > Pace speed - 65mph > 40% distance, fixed setup(fast) > Read the rules here:http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > With the exception of the "don't hog the low line" rule, all others are in > effect. Along with a new rule - no racing back to yellow. Some drivers seem > to have a problem with that, and a 1-car spin turns into "The Big One". So if > a yellow flag comes out, ease up and hold station. Bring your best game, > gents... :-) > > Eldred > --

Wish I could make this one, but I am gonna have to miss it... family obligations. Good luck to everyone. Brian Oster On 17 Aug 2002 04:47:26 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>Time:4pm eastern >Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered at John's >website. >Track: Michigan >Pit speed limit - 55mph >Pace speed - 65mph >40% distance, fixed setup(fast) >Read the rules here:http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ >With the exception of the "don't hog the low line" rule, all others are in >effect. Along with a new rule - no racing back to yellow. Some drivers seem >to have a problem with that, and a 1-car spin turns into "The Big One". So if >a yellow flag comes out, ease up and hold station. Bring your best game, >gents... :-) > >Eldred

In article <Hgv79.28663$[email hidden]>, jwhite15 @carolina.rr.com says... > Eldred, > > What if someone wants to race with you today, and they're either new to > RASCAR or raced before but didn't do the website thing? > Thx Well, Eldred can only go by the Sierra ID's that are posted on the roster page. If they haven't registered (providing their name, sierra ID and appropriate car file), and aren't on the roster page, they simply can't join the race. IMHO, the line should be drawn at having the appropriate info on the roster page no later than midnight of the friday immediately prior to the race. It's unreasonable to expect Eldred or myself to monitor this stuff 24/7, and to dedicate an entire Saturday to making sure everything is up-to-date. Beyond (and knowing) all of that, there's always next week. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Ed Solhein (5) Mikkel Gram-Hanssen (13) Steve Whitty (05) Does anyone know if these fellas are still racing? I know some guys who'd like to use their car numbers. Thanks -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <Hgv79.28663$[email hidden]>, jwhite15 > @carolina.rr.com says... > > Eldred, > > > > What if someone wants to race with you today, and they're either new to > > RASCAR or raced before but didn't do the website thing? > > Thx > > > Well, Eldred can only go by the Sierra ID's that are posted on the > roster page. If they haven't registered (providing their name, sierra > ID and appropriate car file), and aren't on the roster page, they simply > can't join the race. > > IMHO, the line should be drawn at having the appropriate info on the > roster page no later than midnight of the friday immediately prior to > the race. It's unreasonable to expect Eldred or myself to monitor this > stuff 24/7, and to dedicate an entire Saturday to making sure everything > is up-to-date. > > Beyond (and knowing) all of that, there's always next week. > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

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> Ed Solhein (5) > Mikkel Gram-Hanssen (13) > Steve Whitty (05) > > Does anyone know if these fellas are still racing? > I know some guys who'd like to use their car numbers. > > Thanks

If the car shows as available in the roster, they can have it. Otherwise, they can't. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

No way this is a good idea. Asking someone to leave a race because they are damaged? I have picked up 20 spots before with a DAMAGED car. Sheesh. -Larry "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lru79.63934$Zl2.13943@sccrnsc02... > John... > > Just my "two cents".....but the issue of where damaged, down-on-power, or > just slow....race cars run is essentially different for each track (oreach > track type). Running "on the bottom" would be appropriate for places like > Michigan, California for "slow" cars. Not appropriate at Daytona and > Talladega. It would also not be appropriate for any of the road > courses....but that becomes a whole separate discussion, really. InWinston > Cup, this is generally covered in each driver's meeting on race-daymorning > (also the minimum speed you must maintain or face a black flag isannounced > at the driver's meeting). > > RASCAR could do the same, list it with the rest of the driver's meetinginfo

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> Eldred posts. The other possibility for RASCAR, is to adopt a rule that > damaged, or otherwise slow cars should exit the race. Its not a points > race, so why drive around slow and take chances of interfering with the > other's race? As I said, this is just my two cents on the matter. > > TP > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Time:4pm eastern > > > Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered

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> John's > > > website. > > > Track: Michigan > > > Pit speed limit - 55mph > > > Pace speed - 65mph > > > 40% distance, fixed setup(fast) > > > Read the rules here:http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > > With the exception of the "don't hog the low line" rule, all others

are > in > > > effect. Along with a new rule - no racing back to yellow. Somedrivers > seem > > > to have a problem with that, and a 1-car spin turns into "The BigOne".

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> So if > > > a yellow flag comes out, ease up and hold station. Bring your best > game, > > > gents... :-) > > > > > > Eldred > > > > > > > Well, I still think that running the bottom line all the way around is > > not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) > > ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. > > > > > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > ========================================================= > >

Ditto. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Time:4pm eastern > > Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered atJohn's

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> > website. > > Track: Michigan > > Pit speed limit - 55mph > > Pace speed - 65mph > > 40% distance, fixed setup(fast) > > Read the rules here:http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > With the exception of the "don't hog the low line" rule, all others are

in > > effect. Along with a new rule - no racing back to yellow. Some driversseem > > to have a problem with that, and a 1-car spin turns into "The Big One".So if > > a yellow flag comes out, ease up and hold station. Bring your bestgame,

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> > gents... :-) > > > > Eldred > > > > Well, I still think that running the bottom line all the way around is > not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) > ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. > > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Ditto. -Larry > > Time:4pm eastern > > Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered at John's

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> > website. > > Track: Michigan > > Pit speed limit - 55mph > > Pace speed - 65mph > > 40% distance, fixed setup(fast) > > Read the rules here:http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > With the exception of the "don't hog the low line" rule, all others are

in > > effect. Along with a new rule - no racing back to yellow. Some drivers seem > > to have a problem with that, and a 1-car spin turns into "The Big One". So if > > a yellow flag comes out, ease up and hold station. Bring your best game,

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> > gents... :-) > > Eldred > Well, I still think that running the bottom line all the way around is > not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) > ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Understood. Can people still race without giving you a car file (yet) once they register a Sierra ID? -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <Jyv79.28670$[email hidden]>, jwhite15 > @carolina.rr.com says... > > Ed Solhein (5) > > Mikkel Gram-Hanssen (13) > > Steve Whitty (05) > > > > Does anyone know if these fellas are still racing? > > I know some guys who'd like to use their car numbers. > > > > Thanks > > If the car shows as available in the roster, they can have it. > Otherwise, they can't. > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Of course, everyone knows (or at least assumes) that I'm speaking of peope that are racing for position, not cars that are off the pace. However, if a car is off the pace, I think he should maintain the high line so that faster cars can go by on the inside... In article <nLv79.61588$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> No way this is a good idea. > > Asking someone to leave a race because they are damaged? > > I have picked up 20 spots before with a DAMAGED car. > > Sheesh. > > -Larry > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lru79.63934$Zl2.13943@sccrnsc02... > > John... > > > > Just my "two cents".....but the issue of where damaged, down-on-power, or > > just slow....race cars run is essentially different for each track (or > each > > track type). Running "on the bottom" would be appropriate for places like > > Michigan, California for "slow" cars. Not appropriate at Daytona and > > Talladega. It would also not be appropriate for any of the road > > courses....but that becomes a whole separate discussion, really. In > Winston > > Cup, this is generally covered in each driver's meeting on race-day > morning > > (also the minimum speed you must maintain or face a black flag is > announced > > at the driver's meeting). > > > > RASCAR could do the same, list it with the rest of the driver's meeting > info > > Eldred posts. The other possibility for RASCAR, is to adopt a rule that > > damaged, or otherwise slow cars should exit the race. Its not a points > > race, so why drive around slow and take chances of interfering with the > > other's race? As I said, this is just my two cents on the matter. > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > Time:4pm eastern > > > > Server: RASCAR - using an invite list of driver IDs who've registered > at > > John's > > > > website. > > > > Track: Michigan > > > > Pit speed limit - 55mph > > > > Pace speed - 65mph > > > > 40% distance, fixed setup(fast) > > > > Read the rules here:http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar/ > > > > With the exception of the "don't hog the low line" rule, all others > are > > in > > > > effect. Along with a new rule - no racing back to yellow. Some > drivers > > seem > > > > to have a problem with that, and a 1-car spin turns into "The Big > One". > > So if > > > > a yellow flag comes out, ease up and hold station. Bring your best > > game, > > > > gents... :-) > > > > > > > > Eldred > > > > > > > > > > Well, I still think that running the bottom line all the way around is > > > not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) > > > ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. > > >

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In article <lru79.63934$Zl2.13943@sccrnsc02>, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Just my "two cents".....but the issue of where damaged, down-on-power, or >just slow....race cars run is essentially different for each track (or each >track type). Running "on the bottom" would be appropriate for places like >Michigan, California for "slow" cars. Not appropriate at Daytona and >Talladega. It would also not be appropriate for any of the road >courses....but that becomes a whole separate discussion, really. In Winston >Cup, this is generally covered in each driver's meeting on race-day morning >(also the minimum speed you must maintain or face a black flag is announced >at the driver's meeting).

Thanks - I hadn't thought of that. It would be difficult to know what the minimum speed should be, though. 2 seconds off the pace? Hell, I had that happen at Darlington this morning, and I pulled off the track. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >IMHO, the line should be drawn at having the appropriate info on the >roster page no later than midnight of the friday immediately prior to >the race. It's unreasonable to expect Eldred or myself to monitor this >stuff 24/7, and to dedicate an entire Saturday to making sure everything >is up-to-date. Makes sense, but I'll give Tim a break because he ran the servers for a couple of weeks...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <fMv79.28676$[email hidden]>, jwhite15 @carolina.rr.com says... > Understood. > Can people still race without giving you a car file (yet) once they register > a Sierra ID? > Whether or not they can get into the server depends entirely on whether or not they are in the roster and have provided a Sierra ID that Eldred can add to the invite list. They should ALWAYS race with a car with the correct number (the one they have selected from the roster page). -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > Thanks - I hadn't thought of that. It would be difficult to > know what the minimum speed should be, though. 2 seconds off > the pace? Hell, I had that happen at Darlington this morning, > and I pulled off the track. Unnecessary, I ran slower than that on the long green stint, on the racing line. Didn't make it hard for those that wanted to find a way around, but I didn't just die for them either. Speaking of Darlington... the default fast setup there is a widowmaker. I'll post an alternative to the mailinglist. Jan. =---

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> "EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > > Thanks - I hadn't thought of that. It would be difficult to > > know what the minimum speed should be, though. 2 seconds off > > the pace? Hell, I had that happen at Darlington this morning, > > and I pulled off the track. > > Unnecessary, I ran slower than that on the long green stint, on the racing > line. Didn't make it hard for those that wanted to find a way around, but I > didn't just die for them either. > > Speaking of Darlington... the default fast setup there is a widowmaker. I'll > post an alternative to the mailinglist. >

I don't think we should do this. The fast setup should be fine. You just gotta adapt to it, regardless of how good/bad it might be. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"John Simmons" wrote... > <snip> > I don't think we should do this. The fast setup should > be fine. You just gotta adapt to it, regardless of how > good/bad it might be. I'm not saying we should change the setup, I'm saying we should consider changing it. But, if you want to veto this, that's cool with me. Heck, I'll adapt no problem. I can race within my limits. I did so this morning and came 4th, despite several people's best efforts to end my day early. I just worry about the "number of caution laps"-naggers sparking yet another debate about ability and elitism here. Wanna take a little wager on the number of self spins out of T4? <g> Jan. =---

Now THAT I can agree with, John. I cannot agree with Tom's "You get damaged, you leave" mentality. I had a dented hood today, and still came in third against two of the fastest drivers in RASCAR. Hell, I ALMOST won the thing TWICE! "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Of course, everyone knows (or at least assumes) that I'm speaking of > peope that are racing for position, not cars that are off the pace. > However, if a car is off the pace, I think he should maintain the high > line so that faster cars can go by on the inside... > > > In article <nLv79.61588$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > No way this is a good idea. > > > > Asking someone to leave a race because they are damaged? > > > > I have picked up 20 spots before with a DAMAGED car. > > > > Sheesh. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:lru79.63934$Zl2.13943@sccrnsc02... > > > Eldred posts. The other possibility for RASCAR, is to adopt a rule

that > > > damaged, or otherwise slow cars should exit the race. Its not apoints > > > race, so why drive around slow and take chances of interfering withthe > > > other's race? As I said, this is just my two cents on the matter. > > > > > > TP

You mean civilized like the chat im going to post below this ??? Please define civilized John, as you seem to be hard and heavy into rules and regs... <<<hide the children in the other room>>> Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out. And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because the back of my car got pushed in. To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded a move to the end of the longest line penalty. My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE FUCKING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing under the fucking yellow. Then, on one of the restarts, the 98 car hit me AGAIN, and backed me into the outside wall in turn 1. I finished laps down in 8th or 9th place. I don't mind finishing in 8th or 9th place, but it really torques me to be laps down, ESPECIALLY when it's not my fault. Opinion: Single file restarts don't do squat for us. All it does is keep lapped cars from regaining a lap. Other than that, it's just like running double-file restarts. Caution-after-fuckin-caution. I think a lot of folks need to practice. A LOT! You can't come to ANY of these tracks cold - the fast setup is just too twitchy when you're not used to it. I think the fast setups are just fine as LONG AS YOU PRACTICE! <<<bring the kids back>>> I usually keep these opinions to myself, but you really need some dietary fiber lately. I have nothing against you personally, but is i treated my customer base the way you treat folks out here, i would be living in a refrigerator packing crate.

Okay, I'm admittedly not a very good racer so maybe I'm missing something here, but it sure seems to me, based on what I have seen in real life races, that if somebody did that they would be giving up a lot of exit speed, and that you ought to be able to get a run on them coming out of the corner and get by them before the next one. Again, if that is not possible then there is something wrong with the physics in NR 2002. Hell, Sterling can run the high line all the way around and keep people from passing him. It's not just his car, there is a physical reason why that works, and why running around on the apron shouldn't, and it's called exit speed. I guess the reason I am getting so picky about this is that if you actually feel the need to make up a rule to prevent this (and you are not the first person I have heard this from) then somebody at Papyrus has missed the boat and left a pretty nasty exploit in the physics model. Does anyone know whether this same strategy can be used in Heat? "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > That's preciusely what I mean. Some folks in pickup races have takento

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> hugging the apron for the entire race, asnd this makes it IMPOSSIBLE > (or at least almost impossible) for anyone to pass them. > > IMHO, this is NOT what racing is all about. > > > In article <ajlp32$1cie51$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Are you talking about staying on the bottom even on the straights?

Does > > that even work? If so it seems to me there is a serious flaw in > > NR2002's physics. If that was faster in real life we would seedrivers

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> > > not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) > > > ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

I agree with you. The ideal line as shown in the sim *should* be the fastest line if the physics and everything else is correct. David G Fisher "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajmnv3$1ctnvu$[email hidden]...

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> Okay, I'm admittedly not a very good racer so maybe I'm missing > something here, but it sure seems to me, based on what I have seen in > real life races, that if somebody did that they would be giving up a lot > of exit speed, and that you ought to be able to get a run on them coming > out of the corner and get by them before the next one. Again, if that > is not possible then there is something wrong with the physics in NR > 2002. Hell, Sterling can run the high line all the way around and keep > people from passing him. It's not just his car, there is a physical > reason why that works, and why running around on the apron shouldn't, > and it's called exit speed. I guess the reason I am getting so picky > about this is that if you actually feel the need to make up a rule to > prevent this (and you are not the first person I have heard this from) > then somebody at Papyrus has missed the boat and left a pretty nasty > exploit in the physics model. Does anyone know whether this same > strategy can be used in Heat? > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > That's preciusely what I mean. Some folks in pickup races have taken > to > > hugging the apron for the entire race, asnd this makes it IMPOSSIBLE > > (or at least almost impossible) for anyone to pass them. > > > > IMHO, this is NOT what racing is all about. > > > > > > In article <ajlp32$1cie51$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Are you talking about staying on the bottom even on the straights? > Does > > > that even work? If so it seems to me there is a serious flaw in > > > NR2002's physics. If that was faster in real life we would see > drivers > > > doing that in real life too, but they don't. > > > > > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Well, I still think that running the bottom line all the way > around is > > > > not sportsmanlike, and I will continue to publicly (and viciously) > > > > ridicule anyone that does it in a RASCAR race. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > ========================================================= >

In article <z_A79.140311$UU1.24537@sccrnsc03>, [email hidden] says... > You mean civilized like the chat im going to post below this ??? Please > define civilized John, as you seem to be hard and heavy into rules and > regs... Huh? > I usually keep these opinions to myself, but you really need some dietary > fiber lately. > I have nothing against you personally, but is i treated my customer base > the way you treat folks out here, i would be living in a refrigerator > packing crate. I didn't blame anyone for anything, I was just venting. This is like the 3rd or 4th race where I got a bogus black flag from the sim because it got screwed up somehow. Someone else's throttle spring breaks, and my race is ruined as well. I put in a LOT of practice time for these races beacause I don't want to look like a freak on wheels during the race. Seeing as how these are pretty much the only online races I race in, it twsists me to have results like this. I think I'm well within my rights to complain about the outcome. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"Tim" said: > Ed Solhein (5) > Mikkel Gram-Hanssen (13) > Steve Whitty (05) > > Does anyone know if these fellas are still racing? > I know some guys who'd like to use their car numbers. FWIW, I've just returned from my vacation and I *will* continue to race in RASCAR as often as possible... -- ed_

In article <K3x79.70702$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Unnecessary, I ran slower than that on the long green stint, on the racing >line. Didn't make it hard for those that wanted to find a way around, but I >didn't just die for them either. I was too far off the pace, and couldn't find an easy way to let people by. I got caught by the wall glue a couple of times, damaged my car on one of those occasions. It simply wasn't fun. I only intended to take the green flag so that I'd get points for starting. Once I'd done that, it really didn't matter. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

C'mon, Larry...... It's **not** "Tom's you get damaged, you leave" mentality. I was simply pointing out an alternative to having heavily damaged cars run (for points only) in an race that is not collecting points. I wasn't suggesting "any level of damage" should take you out.....only damaged that slows you to non-competitive lapping just to finish the race. Making "suggestions" or pointing out alternatives doesn't make them "mine"....its not a personal issue and stop trying to make it one. In as many cases as not, I am probably not even in favor of something I might suggest.......but I can still point them out or suggest them as an alternative, you know? Tom "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Q6A79.63365$[email hidden]...

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> Now THAT I can agree with, John. > > I cannot agree with Tom's "You get damaged, you leave" mentality. > > I had a dented hood today, and still came in third against two of the > fastest drivers in RASCAR. Hell, I ALMOST won the thing TWICE! > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Of course, everyone knows (or at least assumes) that I'm speaking of > > peope that are racing for position, not cars that are off the pace. > > However, if a car is off the pace, I think he should maintain the high > > line so that faster cars can go by on the inside... > > > > > > In article <nLv79.61588$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > > says... > > > No way this is a good idea. > > > > > > Asking someone to leave a race because they are damaged? > > > > > > I have picked up 20 spots before with a DAMAGED car. > > > > > > Sheesh. > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:lru79.63934$Zl2.13943@sccrnsc02... > > > > > Eldred posts. The other possibility for RASCAR, is to adopt a rule > that > > > > damaged, or otherwise slow cars should exit the race. Its not a > points > > > > race, so why drive around slow and take chances of interfering with > the > > > > other's race? As I said, this is just my two cents on the matter. > > > > > > > > TP > >