RASCAR: Michigan Race

Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out. And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because the back of my car got pushed in. To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded a move to the end of the longest line penalty. My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE FUCKING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing under the fucking yellow. Then, on one of the restarts, the 98 car hit me AGAIN, and backed me into the outside wall in turn 1. I finished laps down in 8th or 9th place. I don't mind finishing in 8th or 9th place, but it really torques me to be laps down, ESPECIALLY when it's not my fault. Opinion: Single file restarts don't do squat for us. All it does is keep lapped cars from regaining a lap. Other than that, it's just like running double-file restarts. Caution-after-fuckin-caution. I think a lot of folks need to practice. A LOT! You can't come to ANY of these tracks cold - the fast setup is just too twitchy when you're not used to it. I think the fast setups are just fine as LONG AS YOU PRACTICE! -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I enjoyed the race until I spun, got a lap down. With no chance of getting my lap back and the lightening popping outside it was time to retire. This was my first race with RASCAR, other than the single file restarts all went well with the race. Except my part in it..lol. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was > plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out. > > And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because > the back of my car got pushed in. > > To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we > exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry > to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded > a move to the end of the longest line penalty. > > My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE > FUCKING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was > telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing > under the fucking yellow. > > Then, on one of the restarts, the 98 car hit me AGAIN, and backed me > into the outside wall in turn 1. > > I finished laps down in 8th or 9th place. I don't mind finishing in 8th > or 9th place, but it really torques me to be laps down, ESPECIALLY when > it's not my fault. > > Opinion: Single file restarts don't do squat for us. All it does is > keep lapped cars from regaining a lap. Other than that, it's just like > running double-file restarts. Caution-after-fuckin-caution. > > I think a lot of folks need to practice. A LOT! You can't come to ANY > of these tracks cold - the fast setup is just too twitchy when you're > not used to it. I think the fast setups are just fine as LONG AS YOU > PRACTICE! > > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

One other point about those fixed setups ... Do not lower the wheel lock more than 1 or 2 clicks. Lowering the wheel lock from what any setup was designed with, will make it more twitchy in addition to cooking the tires. If you cannot turn a fixed setup then work on a different line. If your not playing with the wheel lock at all, and you still cannot hold the car when braking or turning or both, up the wheel lock. With any setup, and I think this comes from N2002 using the GPL engine, the higher the wheel lock the better control you'll have with the brakes. The disadvantage is the car will be harder to turn but for inexperienced drivers, try upping the setting until you get comfortable with the car. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was > plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out. > > And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because > the back of my car got pushed in. > > To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we > exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry > to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded > a move to the end of the longest line penalty. > > My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE > FUCKING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was > telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing > under the fucking yellow. > > Then, on one of the restarts, the 98 car hit me AGAIN, and backed me > into the outside wall in turn 1. > > I finished laps down in 8th or 9th place. I don't mind finishing in 8th > or 9th place, but it really torques me to be laps down, ESPECIALLY when > it's not my fault. > > Opinion: Single file restarts don't do squat for us. All it does is > keep lapped cars from regaining a lap. Other than that, it's just like > running double-file restarts. Caution-after-fuckin-caution. > > I think a lot of folks need to practice. A LOT! You can't come to ANY > of these tracks cold - the fast setup is just too twitchy when you're > not used to it. I think the fast setups are just fine as LONG AS YOU > PRACTICE! > > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was > plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out. > > And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because > the back of my car got pushed in. > > To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we > exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry > to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded > a move to the end of the longest line penalty.

??? Anyone is free to look at the replay and look at lap 21 in the pits with John and I. John, whatever you did there was nothing to do with me. I exited my stall calmly and immediatley moved to the outside of the pit lane in order to give you plent of room. No hurry by me. I simply got up to the speed limit. I didn't even spin my tires at all. You did though. You also moved into the ouside lane a little and squeezed me. Once I crossed the line just ahead of you I maintained my speed and stayed to the right without altering my line. You moved from the inside and crossed behind me to the outside and out onto the track instead of just falling in behind me and calmly following me out onto the track and into the pace line. There was plenty of time after we crossed the line to just fall in behind me before the lane narrowed. I thought my exit from the pits was text book considering your position to me. David G Fisher

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE > FUCKING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was > telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing > under the fucking yellow. > No, I listened to my spotter. Had a computer lockup, had to reboot, and re-entered the race. Soon as I hit the Drive button, it put me in the pits and promptly gave me a end of longest line penalty for entering a closed pit. Sign said GO at end of pit lane, I pulled out and got alongside pace line, and spotter told me to stay behind ? car. Got behind it. Two more come up. Says "let em by". I do. You come up. Spotter went crazy from there, saying "pass the 43 car". Kept saying that til we went green. Somewhere I may have screwed up, thereby causing this little snafu, but it wasn't ingnoring my spotter that caused it.

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE > FUCKING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was > telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing > under the fucking yellow. > No, I listened to my spotter. Had a computer lockup, had to reboot, and re-entered the race. Soon as I hit the Drive button, it put me in the pits and promptly gave me a end of longest line penalty for entering a closed pit. Sign said GO at end of pit lane, I pulled out and got alongside pace line, and spotter told me to stay behind ? car. Got behind it. Two more come up. Says "let em by". I do. You come up. Spotter went crazy from there, saying "pass the 43 car". Kept saying that til we went green. Somewhere I may have screwed up, thereby causing this little snafu, but it wasn't ingnoring my spotter that caused it.

John, I assure you that you that I did not target you today :) On the first incident, I hardly had any options. The restart commenced, and out of no where Neil lost his Throttle spring right in front of me. I commited high, and was on the brakes, but there just wasn't enough time to avoid it. The upper lane closed off on me and that was that. It wasn't intentional. Shit happens, throttle springs break. As for pushing up a bit and making contact in turn 1, I apologized for that on-track, after the race, and here in another thread. I was fighting with slower cars at the restart, went into turn 1 a little unstable, and pushed up a bit. Sorry again. -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was > plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out. > > And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because > the back of my car got pushed in. > > To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we > exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry > to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded > a move to the end of the longest line penalty. > > My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE > FUCKING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was > telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing > under the fucking yellow. > > Then, on one of the restarts, the 98 car hit me AGAIN, and backed me > into the outside wall in turn 1. > > I finished laps down in 8th or 9th place. I don't mind finishing in 8th > or 9th place, but it really torques me to be laps down, ESPECIALLY when > it's not my fault. > > Opinion: Single file restarts don't do squat for us. All it does is > keep lapped cars from regaining a lap. Other than that, it's just like > running double-file restarts. Caution-after-fuckin-caution. > > I think a lot of folks need to practice. A LOT! You can't come to ANY > of these tracks cold - the fast setup is just too twitchy when you're > not used to it. I think the fast setups are just fine as LONG AS YOU > PRACTICE! > > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

I saw this one from behind. I was saying to myself "Get down out of there John or you'll get a BF!". -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EpB79.194356$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was > > plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out. > > > > And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because > > the back of my car got pushed in. > > > > To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we > > exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry > > to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded > > a move to the end of the longest line penalty. > > ??? > > Anyone is free to look at the replay and look at lap 21 in the pits with > John and I. > > John, whatever you did there was nothing to do with me. I exited my stall > calmly and immediatley moved to the outside of the pit lane in order to

give > you plent of room. No hurry by me. I simply got up to the speed limit. I > didn't even spin my tires at all. You did though. You also moved into the > ouside lane a little and squeezed me. Once I crossed the line just aheadof > you I maintained my speed and stayed to the right without altering myline. > You moved from the inside and crossed behind me to the outside and outonto

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> the track instead of just falling in behind me and calmly following me out > onto the track and into the pace line. There was plenty of time after we > crossed the line to just fall in behind me before the lane narrowed. > > I thought my exit from the pits was text book considering your position to > me. > > David G Fisher > >

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was > > plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out. > > > > And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because > > the back of my car got pushed in. > > > > To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we > > exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry > > to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded > > a move to the end of the longest line penalty. > > ??? > > Anyone is free to look at the replay and look at lap 21 in the pits with > John and I. > > John, whatever you did there was nothing to do with me. I exited my stall > calmly and immediatley moved to the outside of the pit lane in order to give > you plent of room. No hurry by me. I simply got up to the speed limit. I > didn't even spin my tires at all. You did though. You also moved into the > ouside lane a little and squeezed me. Once I crossed the line just ahead of > you I maintained my speed and stayed to the right without altering my line. > You moved from the inside and crossed behind me to the outside and out onto > the track instead of just falling in behind me and calmly following me out > onto the track and into the pace line. There was plenty of time after we > crossed the line to just fall in behind me before the lane narrowed. > > I thought my exit from the pits was text book considering your position to > me. > > David G Fisher

I wasn't blaming you for anything, I just figured that you'd keep a brisk pace as you exited the pits and you didn't. To avoid punting you, I went up onto the track. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

In article <DEC79.64052$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > John, > > I assure you that you that I did not target you today :) Yeah I know, I got screwed in the throttle spring thing and it went to shit from there. I told everyone before I left that I was pissed off at how it turned out. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

>I told everyone before I left that I was pissed off at >how it turned out. I was so pissed off after getting run over by somebody I never heard of on lap 2 or 3 I just disconnected before I said something about it. Rules on flamin ya know :( Never even got a sorry or fuck you or anything. Sorry for being part of the first yellow but this cat didnt even slow for turn 3 and hit me square in the ass putting me in the wall and ending my day. Dan

I had the same type of thing else where. Glenn Read's (#58) spotter was telling him to let me (#48) by as he had to go to the end of the longest line for merging too early, but my spotter wasn't telling me to pass him. So every time he slowed down, I slowed down. Eventually Glenn told me to pass him using chat, so I did. The reason I know this is because Glenn & I talked about it on the phone afterwards. So it looks like there may be a bit of a bug in N2002 Lee "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vNB79.33800$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE > > FUCKING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was > > telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing > > under the fucking yellow. > > > > No, I listened to my spotter. Had a computer lockup, had to reboot, and > re-entered the race. Soon as I hit the Drive button, it put me in the pits > and promptly gave me a end of longest line penalty for entering a closed > pit. Sign said GO at end of pit lane, I pulled out and got alongside pace > line, and spotter told me to stay behind ? car. Got behind it. Two more

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> up. Says "let em by". I do. You come up. Spotter went crazy from there, > saying "pass the 43 car". Kept saying that til we went green. Somewhere I > may have screwed up, thereby causing this little snafu, but it wasn't > ingnoring my spotter that caused it. > > >

I caused some crap there, didn't I. Sorry guys. Worst things was, I was starting to feel fed up with all the early yellows as I was well on the pace and was eager to get into a fight with Ging who had moved up to one behind me. I also remember thinking 'Thank God I qualled well up so as to avoid all the mess continually going on behind'. You don't expect the leading pack to screw the restart. Errr .... When the spring went I tried to hook the sole of the magic racing slippers under the pedal plate to get some rudimentary control to take it safely up into the wall and out of the way. Couldn't do it and such a sudden slowing left the other fast guys like Larry and John with nowhere to go. My BRD pedals have arrived and as I do 4 league races from Fri to Mon I thought I'd fit them and practise on them next week. Guess tonight's HOG race will be on a new pedal system :) Sorry again - If I could've done differently, I would. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DEC79.64052$[email hidden]... > John, > > I assure you that you that I did not target you today :) > > On the first incident, I hardly had any options. The restart commenced,and

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> out of no where Neil lost his Throttle spring right in front of me. I > commited high, and was on the brakes, but there just wasn't enough time to > avoid it. The upper lane closed off on me and that was that. > > It wasn't intentional. Shit happens, throttle springs break. > > As for pushing up a bit and making contact in turn 1, I apologized for

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> on-track, after the race, and here in another thread. I was fighting with > slower cars at the restart, went into turn 1 a little unstable, and pushed > up a bit. > > Sorry again. > > -Larry > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was > > plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out. > > > > And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because > > the back of my car got pushed in. > > > > To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we > > exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a hurry > > to proceed through the turn so I went up onto the track and got awarded > > a move to the end of the longest line penalty. > > > > My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE > > FUCKING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was > > telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing > > under the fucking yellow. > > > > Then, on one of the restarts, the 98 car hit me AGAIN, and backed me > > into the outside wall in turn 1. > > > > I finished laps down in 8th or 9th place. I don't mind finishing in 8th > > or 9th place, but it really torques me to be laps down, ESPECIALLY when > > it's not my fault. > > > > Opinion: Single file restarts don't do squat for us. All it does is > > keep lapped cars from regaining a lap. Other than that, it's just like > > running double-file restarts. Caution-after-fuckin-caution. > > > > I think a lot of folks need to practice. A LOT! You can't come to ANY > > of these tracks cold - the fast setup is just too twitchy when you're > > not used to it. I think the fast setups are just fine as LONG AS YOU > > PRACTICE! > > > > > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > ========================================================= > >

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>I was so pissed off after getting run over by somebody I never heard of on >lap >2 or 3 I just disconnected before I said something about it. Rules on flamin >ya >know :( Never even got a sorry or fuck you or anything. Sorry for being part >of the first yellow but this cat didnt even slow for turn 3 and hit me square >in the ass putting me in the wall and ending my day.

I was surprised to see you disconnect so quickly. I got fed up with the constant yellows, and lack of sleep was catching up with me. So, I quit during the 4th(5th?) yellow flag. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I guess I should have explained why I disconnected but was to mad. This was the first time I was so blatantly taken out without so much as a comment. I should have thanked you for hosting as I usually do Eldred. I really do appreciate it. Sorry your day ended early as well. We usually run pretty close together :) Dan >I was surprised to see you disconnect so quickly. I got fed up with the >constant yellows, and lack of sleep was catching up with me. So, I quit >during >the 4th(5th?) yellow flag. > >Eldred

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I guess I should have explained why I disconnected but was to mad. This was the > first time I was so blatantly taken out without so much as a comment. I should > have thanked you for hosting as I usually do Eldred. I really do appreciate it. > Sorry your day ended early as well. We usually run pretty close together :) > Dan What happened Dan? I don't think it's on my replay. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I saw some of this too. I was waiting for cars to 'get going', but they eventually told me to pass. My spotter never once told me to go around them, and I know for a fact they should have been in front of me because I had just left the pits. It didn't alter the outcome because I think it wsa mainly lapped cars, but it was confusing as hell sometimes. I wonder if this wasn't a bug in single file restarts ? -Larry "lee.ward1" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FJJ79.72$[email hidden]... > I had the same type of thing else where. Glenn Read's (#58) spotter was > telling him to let me (#48) by as he had to go to the end of the longest > line for merging too early, but my spotter wasn't telling me to pass him.So

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> every time he slowed down, I slowed down. Eventually Glenn told me to pass > him using chat, so I did. > > The reason I know this is because Glenn & I talked about it on the phone > afterwards. > > So it looks like there may be a bit of a bug in N2002 > > Lee > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vNB79.33800$[email hidden]... > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE > > > FUCKING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was > > > telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing > > > under the fucking yellow. > > > > > > > No, I listened to my spotter. Had a computer lockup, had to reboot, and > > re-entered the race. Soon as I hit the Drive button, it put me in the

pits > > and promptly gave me a end of longest line penalty for entering a closed > > pit. Sign said GO at end of pit lane, I pulled out and got alongsidepace > > line, and spotter told me to stay behind ? car. Got behind it. Two more > come > > up. Says "let em by". I do. You come up. Spotter went crazy from there, > > saying "pass the 43 car". Kept saying that til we went green. SomewhereI

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> > may have screwed up, thereby causing this little snafu, but it wasn't > > ingnoring my spotter that caused it. > > > > > > > >

No biggie Neil. Stuff happens :) -Larry "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajnrv4$pbv$[email hidden]... > I caused some crap there, didn't I. Sorry guys. > > Worst things was, I was starting to feel fed up with all the early yellows > as I was well on the pace and was eager to get into a fight with Ging who > had moved up to one behind me. I also remember thinking 'Thank God Iqualled > well up so as to avoid all the mess continually going on behind'. Youdon't

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> expect the leading pack to screw the restart. Errr .... > > When the spring went I tried to hook the sole of the magic racing slippers > under the pedal plate to get some rudimentary control to take it safely up > into the wall and out of the way. Couldn't do it and such a sudden slowing > left the other fast guys like Larry and John with nowhere to go. My BRD > pedals have arrived and as I do 4 league races from Fri to Mon I thought

I'd > fit them and practise on them next week. Guess tonight's HOG race will beon

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> a new pedal system :) > > Sorry again - If I could've done differently, I would. > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:DEC79.64052$[email hidden]... > > John, > > > > I assure you that you that I did not target you today :) > > > > On the first incident, I hardly had any options. The restart commenced, > and > > out of no where Neil lost his Throttle spring right in front of me. I > > commited high, and was on the brakes, but there just wasn't enough time

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> > avoid it. The upper lane closed off on me and that was that. > > > > It wasn't intentional. Shit happens, throttle springs break. > > > > As for pushing up a bit and making contact in turn 1, I apologized for > that > > on-track, after the race, and here in another thread. I was fighting

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> > up a bit. > > > > Sorry again. > > > > -Larry > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Well, I was running in 6th when Neil lost his throttle spring and was > > > plowed into by the 98 car, which took me and a few other cars out. > > > > > > And then, it got better - I think I got the worst of it though because > > > the back of my car got pushed in. > > > > > > To make matters worse, I was trying to avoid hitting the 19 car as we > > > exited the pits (hje was ina hurry to pass me, buyt he wasn't in a

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> > > a move to the end of the longest line penalty. > > > > > > My spotter was shouting to stay behind the 170 car (I WAS BEHIND THE > > > FUCKING 170 CAR), but the 170 car was ignoring his spotter who was > > > telling him to pass me. As a result, I got a black flag for passing > > > under the fucking yellow. > > > > > > Then, on one of the restarts, the 98 car hit me AGAIN, and backed me > > > into the outside wall in turn 1. > > > > > > I finished laps down in 8th or 9th place. I don't mind finishing in

8th > > > or 9th place, but it really torques me to be laps down, ESPECIALLYwhen > > > it's not my fault. > > > > > > Opinion: Single file restarts don't do squat for us. All it does is > > > keep lapped cars from regaining a lap. Other than that, it's justlike > > > running double-file restarts. Caution-after-fuckin-caution. > > > > > > I think a lot of folks need to practice. A LOT! You can't come toANY

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> > > of these tracks cold - the fast setup is just too twitchy when you're > > > not used to it. I think the fast setups are just fine as LONG AS YOU > > > PRACTICE! > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ========================================================= > > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > > RASCAR Roster > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > > ========================================================= > > > > > >

>What happened Dan? I don't think it's on my replay. Lap 3 going into turn 3 somebody I'm not familiar with ran over me. Didn't appear to slow or attempt to miss. I don't have replay John but should be lap 3. Dan

I'm pretty sure that would be me you're talking about. Hopefully I get a chance to defend myself. I'm not quite sure what happened there. From my perspective, we were both slowing down for the turn, when all of a sudden you were RIGHT in front of me. I'm wondering if there was a lag issue or something, because it really took me by surprise. Unfortunately, I didn't handle that situation well, with obvious results. I would have apologized, but with my setup I really don't have convenient access to the keyboard. Hopefully you'll accept my apology at this point. Odd thing is that the game didn't count an incident against me. Strange... Andrew [email hidden] (Bamadano) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > >What happened Dan? I don't think it's on my replay. > > Lap 3 going into turn 3 somebody I'm not familiar with ran over me. Didn't > appear to slow or attempt to miss. I don't have replay John but should be lap > 3. > Dan

In article <i%A79.9410$[email hidden]>, jwhite15 @carolina.rr.com says...

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> One other point about those fixed setups ... Do not lower the wheel lock > more than 1 or 2 clicks. > > Lowering the wheel lock from what any setup was designed with, will make it > more twitchy in addition to cooking the tires. If you cannot turn a fixed > setup then work on a different line. > > If your not playing with the wheel lock at all, and you still cannot hold > the car when braking or turning or both, up the wheel lock. > > With any setup, and I think this comes from N2002 using the GPL engine, the > higher the wheel lock the better control you'll have with the brakes. The > disadvantage is the car will be harder to turn but for inexperienced > drivers, try upping the setting until you get comfortable with the car. >

I don't adjust *anything* on the setups, preferring instead to take the "fixed setup" thing to heart. I don't think I do too badly if I can manage to stay out of everyone else's carp... -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

>I'm pretty sure that would be me you're talking about. Hopefully I get >a chance to defend myself. always. >From my perspective, we were both slowing down for the turn, when all >of a sudden you were RIGHT in front of me. I was behind Jan and saw him smoke the left front braking so I was going under him. Of course seeing that I checked my mirror and saw you about 20 car lengths back. Next I knew I got slammed and around I went. >Hopefully you'll accept my >apology at this point. Of course. But please realize that autochat is important for merging, stating your intentions (pass low etc) so get that keyboard closer. Most RASCAR'ers will quickly say sorry...or damn...something anything. I have always apologized for my mistakes ASAP....doesnt really help the one I hit but I make it clear that I AM sorry and it was not intentional. Dan

:) That wasn't meant for you John, just a suggestion for anyone who may want some help. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <i%A79.9410$[email hidden]>, jwhite15 > @carolina.rr.com says... > > One other point about those fixed setups ... Do not lower the wheel lock > > more than 1 or 2 clicks. > > > > Lowering the wheel lock from what any setup was designed with, will make it > > more twitchy in addition to cooking the tires. If you cannot turn a fixed > > setup then work on a different line. > > > > If your not playing with the wheel lock at all, and you still cannot hold > > the car when braking or turning or both, up the wheel lock. > > > > With any setup, and I think this comes from N2002 using the GPL engine, the > > higher the wheel lock the better control you'll have with the brakes. The > > disadvantage is the car will be harder to turn but for inexperienced > > drivers, try upping the setting until you get comfortable with the car. > > > > I don't adjust *anything* on the setups, preferring instead to take the > "fixed setup" thing to heart. I don't think I do too badly if I can > manage to stay out of everyone else's carp... > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

> >From my perspective, we were both slowing down for the turn, when all > >of a sudden you were RIGHT in front of me. > > I was behind Jan and saw him smoke the left front braking so I was going under > him. Of course seeing that I checked my mirror and saw you about 20 car lengths > back. Next I knew I got slammed and around I went. I watched the replay last night from both our perspectives, and it sure makes me look bad... :) Watching the replay from my cockpit, I noticed Jan smoking, but I never saw that during the race. That tells me that I must have been distracted, and then didn't respond properly to your move. (sigh) > Of course. But please realize that autochat is important for merging, stating > your intentions (pass low etc) so get that keyboard closer. Most RASCAR'ers Yeah, I guess I need to figure out a different setup. Hopefully next race will be cleaner. Andrew

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andrew Batishko) writes: >Yeah, I guess I need to figure out a different setup. Hopefully next >race will be cleaner. The next race is Bristol...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

LOL! I can't be the only one wondering how THIS one is going to go over :) I've already practiced 1000 laps there since Saturday. Oddly, my Lap times have NOT improved much. Damn! -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Andrew Batishko) writes: > > >Yeah, I guess I need to figure out a different setup. Hopefully next > >race will be cleaner. > > The next race is Bristol...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.09 > N2002 Rank:+22.329 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> LOL! > > I can't be the only one wondering how THIS one is going to go over :) > > I've already practiced 1000 laps there since Saturday. Oddly, my Lap times > have NOT improved much. Damn! > > -Larry > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] (Andrew Batishko) writes: > > > > >Yeah, I guess I need to figure out a different setup. Hopefully next > > >race will be cleaner. > > > > The next race is Bristol...<g> > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank:+8.09 > > N2002 Rank:+22.329 > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > >

The key to Birstol is staying out of accidents. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:14:17 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >> > >The key to Birstol is staying out of accidents. Yup, find a hole and cruise. Chances are, however, that EVERYONE will probably be involved in at least 1 incident this Sat., so just prepare yourself for it and don't get to ticked off when it happens. Gonna be fun though. Brian Oster

>Chances are, however, that EVERYONE will >probably be involved in at least 1 incident this Sat., so just prepare >yourself for it and don't get to ticked off when it happens. LOL. Last Bristol I got hit from behind UNDER YELLOW. Maybe not racing back to line will help. YEAH RIGHT :) Dan

>I watched the replay last night from both our perspectives, and it >sure makes me look bad... :) No problem man......shit happens. I sure didn't handle it well either. Should have stayed and fussed : ) Dan

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> > <snip> > > always. > > > <snip> > I was behind Jan and saw him smoke the left front braking so > I was going under him. Of course seeing that I checked my > mirror and saw you about 20 car lengths back. Next I knew I > got slammed and around I went.

Brake balance on the default setup is hopeless for my wheel/pedal setup. I got the use of maybe 1/4 of my full brake travel before lock-up occurs. This is another setting which, IMHO, should be adjustable to fit the rig the simmer uses (as steering ratio is), even under fixed setup rules.

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> > <snip>. > > Of course. But please realize that autochat is important > for merging, stating your intentions (pass low etc) so > get that keyboard closer. Most RASCAR'ers will quickly > say sorry...or damn...something anything. I have always > apologized for my mistakes ASAP....doesnt really help > the one I hit but I make it clear that I AM sorry and it > was not intentional.

My setup and the fact I wear gloves to drive make it awkward for me to use this. I've got to do something about that. Perhaps during my next holiday. Jan. =---

In article <dpx89.72328$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >I've already practiced 1000 laps there since Saturday. Oddly, my Lap times >have NOT improved much. Damn! 1000 laps?!? Are you kidding? Are you running solo practice, races against the AI, or online races? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

lol Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ICf89.33417$[email hidden]...

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> :) > That wasn't meant for you John, just a suggestion for anyone who may want > some help. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <i%A79.9410$[email hidden]>, jwhite15 > > @carolina.rr.com says... > > > One other point about those fixed setups ... Do not lower the wheel

lock > > > more than 1 or 2 clicks. > > > > > > Lowering the wheel lock from what any setup was designed with, willmake

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> it > > > more twitchy in addition to cooking the tires. If you cannot turn a > fixed > > > setup then work on a different line. > > > > > > If your not playing with the wheel lock at all, and you still cannot > hold > > > the car when braking or turning or both, up the wheel lock. > > > > > > With any setup, and I think this comes from N2002 using the GPL

engine, > the > > > higher the wheel lock the better control you'll have with the brakes. > The > > > disadvantage is the car will be harder to turn but for inexperienced > > > drivers, try upping the setting until you get comfortable with thecar.

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> > > > > > > I don't adjust *anything* on the setups, preferring instead to take the > > "fixed setup" thing to heart. I don't think I do too badly if I can > > manage to stay out of everyone else's carp... > > > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > ========================================================= > >

I never realized that.... LOL! -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The key to Birstol is staying out of accidents.

Ofline Testing. I did 400 laps Saturday night. Did 200 Sunday Morning. Did another 200 Sunday night. Did another 200 or so on Monday, which was a day off for me. Or somewhere around that. It don't take long at Bristol to rack them up. And you may laugh about Mikey's commercial about being at the wrong track, but I was :) I forgot it was a NIGHT race :( Me go start over now :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <dpx89.72328$[email hidden]>, "Larry"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >I've already practiced 1000 laps there since Saturday. Oddly, my Laptimes > >have NOT improved much. Damn! > > 1000 laps?!? Are you kidding? Are you running solo practice, racesagainst

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> the AI, or online races? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.09 > N2002 Rank:+22.329 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>It don't take long at Bristol to rack them up. > >And you may laugh about Mikey's commercial about being at the wrong track, >but I was :) > >I forgot it was a NIGHT race :( > >Me go start over now :)

Hehe... But, would it really MATTER? The temp is always 70 degrees... Is there a *physical* difference between the 2 tracks? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I think it's mainly the temps/weather. Who knows, though. The track ini files may be tweaked different. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <F6f99.1643$[email hidden]>, "Larry"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >It don't take long at Bristol to rack them up. > > > >And you may laugh about Mikey's commercial about being at the wrongtrack,

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> >but I was :) > > > >I forgot it was a NIGHT race :( > > > >Me go start over now :) > > Hehe... > But, would it really MATTER? The temp is always 70 degrees... Is there a > *physical* difference between the 2 tracks? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.09 > N2002 Rank:+22.329 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I use the same basic setup for both tacks and just adjust for temp since I can't tell the difference. It might be like Bristol on a cloudy day. On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:23:05 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I think it's mainly the temps/weather. Who knows, though. The track ini >files may be tweaked different. > >-Larry > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <F6f99.1643$[email hidden]>, "Larry" ><[email hidden]> >> writes: >> >> >It don't take long at Bristol to rack them up. >> > >> >And you may laugh about Mikey's commercial about being at the wrong >track, >> >but I was :) >> > >> >I forgot it was a NIGHT race :( >> > >> >Me go start over now :) >> >> Hehe... >> But, would it really MATTER? The temp is always 70 degrees... Is there a >> *physical* difference between the 2 tracks? >> >> Eldred >> -- >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> GPLRank:+8.09 >> N2002 Rank:+22.329 >> >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >