RASCAR: General Observations

1) It seems as if people are are over-driving the turns while making a low pass. We can't just haul down into a turn hoping the guy on the high side backs off or is high enough to not be hit as we drift high because we went in too hot. Being on the bottom, it's our job to stay as close to the apron as possible. This might mean (gak!) reducing our speed more than we really wanted to, but the end result is much more prefrrable to the wreck that will ultimately happen. There's simply not enough "give" going on to compensate for the "take". Practice (offline) will help people learn how to pass more effectively. 2) The restarts continue to be a problem. I am not a fan of single-file restarts, and yesterday proved to me that they really aren't any better than our double-file restarts have been in the past. The problem up front appears to be fast cars overtaking slower cars and then making bonzai passes to get around them. I really have no answer or solution for this. We could say that there shouldn't be any passing until the backstretch, but I see that as being just as big of a problem. Other problems appear to be people not being ready for what the car is going to do under sudden acceleration with fresh tires and maybe a little body damage. Again, practice will help you become famliar with how twitchy the car will get under such conditions. 3) Not racing back to the yellow is kinda weird. It seemed as if nobody was really sure when to back off, or how much. I think we can stay out of trouble here if we don't follow immediately behind the person in front, and don't radically change our line as we approach other cars. The only problem I see with it so far is that it seems to take forever for the entire field to catch up to the pace line. There's really no way to practice this without actually racing against each other, and the whole idea there is not to even have any cautions - a paradox, if ever there was one. 4) I watched the replay from yesterday's race, and noticed that even with severe body damage, I was STILL able to turn 40.0xx times. There are several lessons to be learned here. A) Damage physics in the sim truly suck. There's NO WAY I should have been able to go that fast with what amounts to no sheet metal aft of the rear tires. My spoiler was pressed right up against the back edge of the rear window, and my front end was caved in as well. B) Even with severe rear damage, you are still fairly (and unrealistically) competitive due to the sucky physics. There's no reason to quit simply because you are pretty bad off as far as damage goes. C) The car handles differently, so you have to change your line and brake, lift, and acceleration points. D) Practice will help you become accustomed to changes in the car due to damage. 5) I realize I've become a bit acidic in my post-race discussions, and I'll try to behave in the future. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

>snip the f****** lot< Is there no end to this guy's arrogance.

Mike Grandy www.precision-racing.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > 1) It seems as if people are are over-driving the turns while > making a low pass. We can't just haul down into a turn > hoping the guy on the high side backs off or is high enough > to not be hit as we drift high because we went in too hot. In order to avoid this situation why not just back off a bit on the straight and allow that car to clear you before entering the corner. Also works great for those that overdrive late in the race, they go deep and high and you pass them back low.

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> Being on the bottom, it's our job to stay as close to the > apron as possible. This might mean (gak!) reducing our > speed more than we really wanted to, but the end result is > much more prefrrable to the wreck that will ultimately > happen. > > There's simply not enough "give" going on to compensate for > the "take". Practice (offline) will help people learn how > to pass more effectively. > > 2) The restarts continue to be a problem. I am not a fan of > single-file restarts, and yesterday proved to me that they > really aren't any better than our double-file restarts > have been in the past. > > The problem up front appears to be fast cars overtaking > slower cars and then making bonzai passes to get around > them. I really have no answer or solution for this. We > could say that there shouldn't be any passing until the > backstretch, but I see that as being just as big of a > problem.

My suggestion would be to give lap cars the same consideration you would lead lap cars. If the car is fast enough there is no need to force a pass and more often then not you can use that car to help complete a pass somewhere down the road. Keep in mind that if you were in the same position, you would want your lap back as well. > > Other problems appear to be people not being ready for > what the car is going to do under sudden acceleration > with fresh tires and maybe a little body damage. Of course the main problem here is smooth acceleration and steady turning. Make sure when you accelerate that you have grip to the track before you put the pedal to the floor. Enter the turns smoothly and don't make any sudden moves.

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> Again, practice will help you become famliar with how > twitchy the car will get under such conditions. > > 3) Not racing back to the yellow is kinda weird. It > seemed as if nobody was really sure when to back off, > or how much. I think we can stay out of trouble here > if we don't follow immediately behind the person in > front, and don't radically change our line as we > approach other cars. The only problem I see with it > so far is that it seems to take forever for the entire > field to catch up to the pace line.

I would suggest only backing off about 5-10 mph when heading to a yellow flag. Any more than that and you may get run over. I would rather see racing back to the caution, but thats not always acceptable under certain conditions. > There's really no way to practice this without actually > racing against each other, and the whole idea there is > not to even have any cautions - a paradox, if ever

Thanks very much for your comments, John I, for one, would like to hear them, as having only just started with N2002, all advice/tips etc are very welcome. Cheers Lee

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> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:21 PM > Subject: RASCAR: General Observations > > > > 1) It seems as if people are are over-driving the turns while > > making a low pass. We can't just haul down into a turn > > hoping the guy on the high side backs off or is high enough > > to not be hit as we drift high because we went in too hot. > > > > Being on the bottom, it's our job to stay as close to the > > apron as possible. This might mean (gak!) reducing our > > speed more than we really wanted to, but the end result is > > much more prefrrable to the wreck that will ultimately > > happen. > > > > There's simply not enough "give" going on to compensate for > > the "take". Practice (offline) will help people learn how > > to pass more effectively. > > > > 2) The restarts continue to be a problem. I am not a fan of > > single-file restarts, and yesterday proved to me that they > > really aren't any better than our double-file restarts > > have been in the past. > > > > The problem up front appears to be fast cars overtaking > > slower cars and then making bonzai passes to get around > > them. I really have no answer or solution for this. We > > could say that there shouldn't be any passing until the > > backstretch, but I see that as being just as big of a > > problem. > > > > Other problems appear to be people not being ready for > > what the car is going to do under sudden acceleration > > with fresh tires and maybe a little body damage. > > > > Again, practice will help you become famliar with how > > twitchy the car will get under such conditions. > > > > 3) Not racing back to the yellow is kinda weird. It > > seemed as if nobody was really sure when to back off, > > or how much. I think we can stay out of trouble here > > if we don't follow immediately behind the person in > > front, and don't radically change our line as we > > approach other cars. The only problem I see with it > > so far is that it seems to take forever for the entire > > field to catch up to the pace line. > > > > There's really no way to practice this without actually > > racing against each other, and the whole idea there is > > not to even have any cautions - a paradox, if ever > > there was one. > > > > 4) I watched the replay from yesterday's race, and noticed > > that even with severe body damage, I was STILL able to > > turn 40.0xx times. There are several lessons to be > > learned here. > > > > A) Damage physics in the sim truly suck. There's NO WAY > > I should have been able to go that fast with what > > amounts to no sheet metal aft of the rear tires. My > > spoiler was pressed right up against the back edge of > > the rear window, and my front end was caved in as > > well. > > > > B) Even with severe rear damage, you are still fairly > > (and unrealistically) competitive due to the sucky > > physics. There's no reason to quit simply because > > you are pretty bad off as far as damage goes. > > > > C) The car handles differently, so you have to change > > your line and brake, lift, and acceleration points. > > > > D) Practice will help you become accustomed to changes > > in the car due to damage. > > > > 5) I realize I've become a bit acidic in my post-race > > discussions, and I'll try to behave in the future. > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > ========================================================= >

In article <ajo9eq$1ctum7$[email hidden]>, "redTed" <[email hidden]> writes: >>snip the f****** lot< > >Is there no end to this guy's arrogance. I thought he made some very good points. Which part did you disagree with, and why? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <ajo9eq$1ctum7$[email hidden]>, "redTed" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>snip the f****** lot< > > > >Is there no end to this guy's arrogance. > > I thought he made some very good points. Which part did you disagree with, and > why? > > Eldred >

Well, I have this guy killfiled, so I didn't see his post, but considering I've got him kill-filed, consider the source... -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

RT... I don't see anything "arrogant" about John's post race comments. In fact, I bet you the new guys will find it helpful and probably contains some stuff they didn't know. I am not a "new guy"....and I still found everything he said worth reading, as a "reminder" in many cases. Seems like you are either over-reacting or have some kind of an "ax to grind" with John? TP "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajo9eq$1ctum7$[email hidden]... > > >snip the f****** lot< > > Is there no end to this guy's arrogance. > >

He does, but I don't know why (maybe I use too many big words)... I was merely pointing out where we all need work, and that offline practice can take care of most of the problems. In article <9p%79.160896$UU1.28794@sccrnsc03>, [email hidden] says...

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> RT... > > I don't see anything "arrogant" about John's post race comments. In fact, I > bet you the new guys will find it helpful and probably contains some stuff > they didn't know. I am not a "new guy"....and I still found everything he > said worth reading, as a "reminder" in many cases. > > Seems like you are either over-reacting or have some kind of an "ax to > grind" with John? >

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John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> 3) Not racing back to the yellow is kinda weird. It > seemed as if nobody was really sure when to back off, > or how much. I think we can stay out of trouble here > if we don't follow immediately behind the person in > front, and don't radically change our line as we > approach other cars. The only problem I see with it > so far is that it seems to take forever for the entire > field to catch up to the pace line.

If the trouble is behind you, the place to begin dropping (gradually!) to pace speed should be the s/f line. You don't have to slow down before then (and probably shouldnt) and once you cross it, you can just roll out of the gas and coast. It doesn't matter if you pass the pace car or not, as long as you let it catch up to you on that same lap. The main thing is to stop RACING other cars and just concentrate on getting back to the s/f line. If the trouble is ahead of you, well, good luck! Avoid the trouble as best you can and continue to the S/F line. If you have to slow down a great deal, try to get out of the racing groove- preferably to the apron - and stay out till you are up to speed. If you can make it by without slowing very much, just take it down a notch and drive on to the S/F. Of course if the wreck is in turn 1... hmm, not as easy as I thought! I guess the trouble is really ALWAYS in front of you...

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> 4) I watched the replay from yesterday's race, and noticed > that even with severe body damage, I was STILL able to > turn 40.0xx times. There are several lessons to be > learned here. > > A) Damage physics in the sim truly suck. There's NO WAY > I should have been able to go that fast with what > amounts to no sheet metal aft of the rear tires. My > spoiler was pressed right up against the back edge of > the rear window, and my front end was caved in as > well.

You get a big AMEN from me on this one. cheers, Gerald

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > He does, but I don't know why (maybe I use too many big words)... >You don't know why ? You want a vivid reminder ??? Arrogant prick

Perfectly said, Gerald.....right on target! TP "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>...

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> > > 3) Not racing back to the yellow is kinda weird. It > > seemed as if nobody was really sure when to back off, > > or how much. I think we can stay out of trouble here > > if we don't follow immediately behind the person in > > front, and don't radically change our line as we > > approach other cars. The only problem I see with it > > so far is that it seems to take forever for the entire > > field to catch up to the pace line. > > If the trouble is behind you, the place to begin dropping (gradually!) > to pace speed should be the s/f line. You don't have to slow down > before then (and probably shouldnt) and once you cross it, you can > just roll out of the gas and coast. It doesn't matter if you pass the > pace car or not, as long as you let it catch up to you on that same > lap. The main thing is to stop RACING other cars and just concentrate > on getting back to the s/f line. > > If the trouble is ahead of you, well, good luck! Avoid the trouble as > best you can and continue to the S/F line. If you have to slow down a > great deal, try to get out of the racing groove- preferably to the > apron - and stay out till you are up to speed. If you can make it by > without slowing very much, just take it down a notch and drive on to > the S/F. > > Of course if the wreck is in turn 1... hmm, not as easy as I thought! > I guess the trouble is really ALWAYS in front of you... > > > > 4) I watched the replay from yesterday's race, and noticed > > that even with severe body damage, I was STILL able to > > turn 40.0xx times. There are several lessons to be > > learned here. > > > > A) Damage physics in the sim truly suck. There's NO WAY > > I should have been able to go that fast with what > > amounts to no sheet metal aft of the rear tires. My > > spoiler was pressed right up against the back edge of > > the rear window, and my front end was caved in as > > well. > > You get a big AMEN from me on this one. > > cheers, > Gerald

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Gerald Moore) writes: >> 4) I watched the replay from yesterday's race, and noticed >> that even with severe body damage, I was STILL able to >> turn 40.0xx times. There are several lessons to be >> learned here. Geez, I didn't get down to 40.xx with a CLEAN car... Grrr... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > RT... > > I don't see anything "arrogant" about John's post race comments. In fact, I > bet you the new guys will find it helpful and probably contains some stuff > they didn't know. I am not a "new guy"....and I still found everything he > said worth reading, as a "reminder" in many cases. > > Seems like you are either over-reacting or have some kind of an "ax to > grind" with John?

For John Simmons and reddyTeddy here, replace with Tom Pabst and David Powell.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> RT... > I don't see anything "arrogant" about John's post race comments. In fact, I > bet you the new guys will find it helpful and probably contains some stuff > they didn't know. I am not a "new guy"....and I still found everything he > said worth reading, as a "reminder" in many cases. > Seems like you are either over-reacting or have some kind of an "ax to > grind" with John?

For John Simmons and reddyTeddy here, replace with Tom Pabst and David Powell.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (Gerald Moore) writes: > > >> 4) I watched the replay from yesterday's race, and noticed > >> that even with severe body damage, I was STILL able to > >> turn 40.0xx times. There are several lessons to be > >> learned here. > > Geez, I didn't get down to 40.xx with a CLEAN car... Grrr... >

(Please don't take this the wrong way) I really am at a loss to explain why you seem to be so far off the fast pace Eldred, unless you're just being tooo damn careful, or trying to hard to avoid being treated like a hockey puck. I think it's time for you to pull it all the way out and throw it up on the table with everyone else's so we can all compare sizes. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"John Simmons" wrote...

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> <snip> > (Please don't take this the wrong way) I really am at a > loss to explain why you seem to be so far off the fast > pace Eldred, unless you're just being tooo damn careful, > or trying to hard to avoid being treated like a hockey > puck. > > I think it's time for you to pull it all the way out and > throw it up on the table with everyone else's so we can > all compare sizes.

Sheesh... there's a race I'd lose. ;-( Jan. =---

> > For John Simmons and reddyTeddy here, replace with Tom Pabst and David > Powell.... > >It's redTed, and at the least, Tom Pabst has the courage to stand up and argue his corner. It's a damn sight more than JS can do.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >(Please don't take this the wrong way) I really am at a loss to explain >why you seem to be so far off the fast pace Eldred, unless you're just >being tooo damn careful, or trying to hard to avoid being treated like a >hockey puck. Nah, I don't take it the wrong way. I'm slow, and I know it. I just don't know WHY. Could be computer, wheel, monitor, lack of skill, all of the above. Yeah, I'm careful - I'm trying to keep from crashing and sticking it in the FENCE. I take it back - I just checked. My PB is 39.775(I guess I got 1 lucky lap during the race), and my Qual PB is 40.405. I have another league race there tonight - we'll see how badly I get beaten... >I think it's time for you to pull it all the way out and throw it up on >the table with everyone else's so we can all compare sizes. LOL! You're SICK, John...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ah, got it, Goy. Think I will stay out of it then.... TP "Goy Larsen" <"adsales"@get topica.com> wrote in message news:lkc89.11630$[email hidden]... > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > RT... > > > > I don't see anything "arrogant" about John's post race comments. Infact, I > > bet you the new guys will find it helpful and probably contains somestuff > > they didn't know. I am not a "new guy"....and I still found everythinghe

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> > said worth reading, as a "reminder" in many cases. > > > > Seems like you are either over-reacting or have some kind of an "ax to > > grind" with John? > > For John Simmons and reddyTeddy here, replace with Tom Pabst and David > Powell.... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (EldredP) writes: >I take it back - I just checked. My PB is 39.775(I guess I got 1 lucky lap >during the race), and my Qual PB is 40.405. I have another league race there >tonight - we'll see how badly I get beaten... I looked in my records file. That 39.775 lap was NOT in the RASCAR race. It was in another league race on the 3rd. So I may not have run under 40 Saturday. I certainly didn't do it tonight. Practice 40.704, Qual 41.098, race 40:5xx I think. about 1.2 to 1.5 seconds slower than the rest of the field(fixed fast setup). Even near the end, I was about.7 seconds slower than a guy who's car got torn up in 3 different wrecks. He didn't even have a hood, and my car didn't have a scratch on it. I'll be resigning from that league in the morning - shit, I almost got lapped in the last 25 or so lap green flag run to the end. Dammit... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (EldredP) writes: > > >I take it back - I just checked. My PB is 39.775(I guess I got 1 lucky lap > >during the race), and my Qual PB is 40.405. I have another league race there > >tonight - we'll see how badly I get beaten... > > I looked in my records file. That 39.775 lap was NOT in the RASCAR race. It > was in another league race on the 3rd. So I may not have run under 40 > Saturday. I certainly didn't do it tonight. Practice 40.704, Qual 41.098, > race 40:5xx I think. about 1.2 to 1.5 seconds slower than the rest of the > field(fixed fast setup). Even near the end, I was about.7 seconds slower than > a guy who's car got torn up in 3 different wrecks. He didn't even have a hood, > and my car didn't have a scratch on it. > I'll be resigning from that league in the morning - shit, I almost got lapped > in the last 25 or so lap green flag run to the end. Dammit... > > Eldred >

I think it's a copule of things: 1) You're not as comfortable with the fixed setups as some of the rest of us are. Believe it or not, it just takes some seat time to get used to it. I run my first "practice" session without any AI to evaluate the setup and find where the speed is. After that, I with run the AI at about 94% to get used to traffic on the track. Then, I bump it down to about 92% to guarantee I'll be able to pass easily, and then once more at 100% so that most of the AI can pass me easily. By then, I'm ready for some online stuff. 2) You need to become a bit more aggressive during the race. You can be afraid to stick your nose into a hairy situation or grab a spot when the opportunity presents itself. Your connections are good enough that you can go side-by-side with most of the cars in a RASCAR race. The only people you should be reluctant to pass are people that are jumping side- to-side because of warp. 3) Maybe your controller settings are messing with your head. Are you using a force-feedback controller, or a good old fashioned analog wheel? What is your linearity setting? Maybe changing it would be a good idea. 4) You're in too many leagues, and you can't devote the time required to practice for our races (or any of the rest of them for that matter). I personally don't see how anyone can find the time to participate in more than one league at a time. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I think it's a copule of things: > >1) You're not as comfortable with the fixed setups as some of the rest >of us are. Believe it or not, it just takes some seat time to get used >to it. I run my first "practice" session without any AI to evaluate the >setup and find where the speed is. After that, I with run the AI at >about 94% to get used to traffic on the track. Then, I bump it down to >about 92% to guarantee I'll be able to pass easily, and then once more >at 100% so that most of the AI can pass me easily. By then, I'm ready >for some online stuff.

I can pass easily at 85%. 90%, and they're leaving me in the dust on most tracks.

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>2) You need to become a bit more aggressive during the race. You can be >afraid to stick your nose into a hairy situation or grab a spot when the >opportunity presents itself. Your connections are good enough that you >can go side-by-side with most of the cars in a RASCAR race. The only >people you should be reluctant to pass are people that are jumping side- >to-side because of warp. >

I don't have the speed to actually RACE with many people. I think I've made maybe 2 contested passes in the RASCAR races. Most of the spots I gain are because someone crashes or discos. >3) Maybe your controller settings are messing with your head. Are you >using a force-feedback controller, or a good old fashioned analog wheel? >What is your linearity setting? Maybe changing it would be a good idea. TSW2mod, no FF. I couldn't tell you linearity exactly - I think it's about 92%-95%. I tried 100% per David's suggestion, and I could NOT control the car. I'm curious how well I could drive on someone else's rig. Hey Fester - can I drive your setup when(if?) I come by to get C:PR? :-) >4) You're in too many leagues, and you can't devote the time required to >practice for our races (or any of the rest of them for that matter). I >personally don't see how anyone can find the time to participate in more >than one league at a time. How much practice time do you think is needed for a league race? I don't think it takes 4 hours every day to prepare. Besides, what can you learn in the 4th hour that you didn't learn in the first 3? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.09 N2002 Rank:+22.329 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:36:55 +0100, redTed <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > It's redTed, and at the least, Tom Pabst has the courage to stand up and argue his corner. > It's a damn sight more than JS can do. just my humble observation: Presumably, both posters you mention stand up to their opinions using their real name and do not hide behind some fake nickname which is what you seem to prefer. cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:36:55 +0100, redTed <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > > It's redTed, and at the least, Tom Pabst has the courage to stand up and argue hiscorner.

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> > It's a damn sight more than JS can do. > > just my humble observation: > > Presumably, both posters you mention stand up to their opinions > using their real name and do not hide behind some fake nickname > which is what you seem to prefer. >

My names Ted. What's the friggin' difference ???? It's a real nickname for a real person..Why am I explaining myself to you anyway.. Good grief. You want names and addresses ? Phone numbers,perhaps ? John Simmons, if that is his real name, and who gives a fuck if it isn't anyway, has "kill-filed" me because he cannot face up to his own inadequacies or his previous nasty posts made to me about WSC when I started a thread that indicated my belief that it "may" have been vapourware..Guess what ?.......... IT WAS.. Happy ? Now please go away , Uwe.

At Michigan, the #1 scrubber of speed is entering the corners too early and too fast. I've found that it's best to let up early, drift down into the apex late, and make up for it on exit. ESPECIALLY when using a pushy setup like the fast setup. I also think, at least with the fast setup, it's faster to stay 1/2 car width up from the line and not necessarily right down on the line, except that you want to get as close as possible to it right as you are about to come out of turns 2/4. You have to have a late entry at slower speeds to do this. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, JohnSimmons

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> <[email hidden]> writes: > > >(Please don't take this the wrong way) I really am at a loss to explain > >why you seem to be so far off the fast pace Eldred, unless you're just > >being tooo damn careful, or trying to hard to avoid being treated like a > >hockey puck. > > Nah, I don't take it the wrong way. I'm slow, and I know it. I just

don't > know WHY. Could be computer, wheel, monitor, lack of skill, all of theabove. > Yeah, I'm careful - I'm trying to keep from crashing and sticking it inthe > FENCE. > I take it back - I just checked. My PB is 39.775(I guess I got 1 luckylap > during the race), and my Qual PB is 40.405. I have another league racethere

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> tonight - we'll see how badly I get beaten... > > >I think it's time for you to pull it all the way out and throw it up on > >the table with everyone else's so we can all compare sizes. > > LOL! You're SICK, John...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.09 > N2002 Rank:+22.329 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:36:55 +0100, redTed <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > > It's redTed, and at the least, Tom Pabst has the courage to stand up and argue his corner. > > It's a damn sight more than JS can do. > > just my humble observation: > > Presumably, both posters you mention stand up to their opinions > using their real name and do not hide behind some fake nickname > which is what you seem to prefer. > > > cheers, > > uwe >

It could also be that I have him kill-filed (he's the only person I've kill-filed, so he is in an exclusive club). The only time I see anything from him is when someone reponds to him and quotes his messages. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:36:55 +0100, redTed <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > > It's redTed, and at the least, Tom Pabst has the courage to stand up and argue hiscorner. > > It's a damn sight more than JS can do. >JS is the biggest bullshitter on this NG . Full of himself. remember when he threw his toys out of the pram and ran off to GPL a few weeks back ? Guess he couldn't cut it there, now he's come crawling back to his beloved Rascar, where he can carry on insulting, blaming, abusing all and sundry ...except himself. And her says I'm the only person he's ever filtered from his reader..LOL.. I expect there are maybe only a dozen of his favourite suck-ups that are not filtered.

Tom Pabst wrote: > > Ah, got it, Goy. Think I will stay out of it then.... Might as well Tom, you're not going to get through to him Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

> Ah, got it, Goy. Think I will stay out of it then.... Might as well Tom, you're not going to get through to him Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Eldred, I had trouble in the same race Eldred and couldn't even finish the freeking race. At least you were consistent. Im thinking about getting FF wheeel so that I can get some more input as to what the car is doing. I got a headset and turned the tire noise up and that helped alot but I think that I am missing out on some clues. Also, I tried to use the brakes some and that helped my lap times during practice but I never could get consistent with it. I tried it in the race and it just slowed me down. I'm starting to get the 'Eldred Fever' now and don't know what pill to take. I'm afraid if I get to aggressive, then I will become the wrecker that I so dispise. <sigh> grub "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, JohnSimmons

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> <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I think it's a copule of things: > > > >1) You're not as comfortable with the fixed setups as some of the rest > >of us are. Believe it or not, it just takes some seat time to get used > >to it. I run my first "practice" session without any AI to evaluate the > >setup and find where the speed is. After that, I with run the AI at > >about 94% to get used to traffic on the track. Then, I bump it down to > >about 92% to guarantee I'll be able to pass easily, and then once more > >at 100% so that most of the AI can pass me easily. By then, I'm ready > >for some online stuff. > > I can pass easily at 85%. 90%, and they're leaving me in the dust on most > tracks. > > >2) You need to become a bit more aggressive during the race. You can be > >afraid to stick your nose into a hairy situation or grab a spot when the > >opportunity presents itself. Your connections are good enough that you > >can go side-by-side with most of the cars in a RASCAR race. The only > >people you should be reluctant to pass are people that are jumping side- > >to-side because of warp. > > > > I don't have the speed to actually RACE with many people. I think I've

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> because someone crashes or discos. > > >3) Maybe your controller settings are messing with your head. Are you > >using a force-feedback controller, or a good old fashioned analog wheel? > >What is your linearity setting? Maybe changing it would be a good idea. > > TSW2mod, no FF. I couldn't tell you linearity exactly - I think it's

about > 92%-95%. I tried 100% per David's suggestion, and I could NOT control thecar. > I'm curious how well I could drive on someone else's rig. Hey Fester -can I

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> drive your setup when(if?) I come by to get C:PR? :-) > > >4) You're in too many leagues, and you can't devote the time required to > >practice for our races (or any of the rest of them for that matter). I > >personally don't see how anyone can find the time to participate in more > >than one league at a time. > > How much practice time do you think is needed for a league race? I don't

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> hour that you didn't learn in the first 3? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.09 > N2002 Rank:+22.329 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Don't feel bad Eldred, I used to be fairly competitive in N1, 2, and 3. N4 and N2002 I am typically slower than most, you probably wouldn't have much trouble keeping up with me. I don't know what it is, I just can't seem to put it together with the new physics engine - or else, my age is catching up with me :). I also went from a TSW2, to a Momo, and still am running about the same slow speeds. It's almost like my car just doesn't have the grip to keep up with others. Don Burnette "grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Eldred, > I had trouble in the same race Eldred and couldn't even finish thefreeking > race. At least you were consistent. Im thinking about getting FF wheeel so > that I can get some more input as to what the car is doing. I got aheadset > and turned the tire noise up and that helped alot but I think that I am > missing out on some clues. Also, I tried to use the brakes some and that > helped my lap times during practice but I never could get consistent with > it. I tried it in the race and it just slowed me down. I'm starting to get > the 'Eldred Fever' now and don't know what pill to take. I'm afraid if Iget

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> to aggressive, then I will become the wrecker that I so dispise. > <sigh> > grub > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, John > Simmons > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >I think it's a copule of things: > > > > > >1) You're not as comfortable with the fixed setups as some of the rest > > >of us are. Believe it or not, it just takes some seat time to get used > > >to it. I run my first "practice" session without any AI to evaluate

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> > >setup and find where the speed is. After that, I with run the AI at > > >about 94% to get used to traffic on the track. Then, I bump it down to > > >about 92% to guarantee I'll be able to pass easily, and then once more > > >at 100% so that most of the AI can pass me easily. By then, I'm ready > > >for some online stuff. > > > > I can pass easily at 85%. 90%, and they're leaving me in the dust on

most > > tracks. > > > > >2) You need to become a bit more aggressive during the race. You canbe > > >afraid to stick your nose into a hairy situation or grab a spot whenthe > > >opportunity presents itself. Your connections are good enough that you > > >can go side-by-side with most of the cars in a RASCAR race. The only > > >people you should be reluctant to pass are people that are jumpingside-

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> > >to-side because of warp. > > > > > > > I don't have the speed to actually RACE with many people. I think I've > made > > maybe 2 contested passes in the RASCAR races. Most of the spots I gain > are > > because someone crashes or discos. > > > > >3) Maybe your controller settings are messing with your head. Are you > > >using a force-feedback controller, or a good old fashioned analog

wheel? > > >What is your linearity setting? Maybe changing it would be a goodidea. > > > > TSW2mod, no FF. I couldn't tell you linearity exactly - I think it's > about > > 92%-95%. I tried 100% per David's suggestion, and I could NOT controlthe > car. > > I'm curious how well I could drive on someone else's rig. Hey Fester - > can I > > drive your setup when(if?) I come by to get C:PR? :-) > > > > >4) You're in too many leagues, and you can't devote the time requiredto > > >practice for our races (or any of the rest of them for that matter). I > > >personally don't see how anyone can find the time to participate inmore > > >than one league at a time. > > > > How much practice time do you think is needed for a league race? Idon't > think > > it takes 4 hours every day to prepare. Besides, what can you learn inthe

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> 4th > > hour that you didn't learn in the first 3? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank:+8.09 > > N2002 Rank:+22.329 > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

>I used to be fairly competitive in N1, 2, and 3. >N4 and N2002 I am typically slower than most, you probably wouldn't have >much trouble keeping up with me. >I don't know what it is, I just can't seem to put it together with the new >physics engine - or else, my age is catching up with me :). Dang Don you stole my story. Same thing here except I was OK in N4. When my TM wheel died I screwed up and bought MSFF and can't seem to get used to it. Also got flat panel monitor. Sure wish I could think up more excuses but...... :) Dan