LIVE FOR SPEED - RL???

There's already rumours circulating that 'Live For Speed' is actually a sneaky, early test of Racing Legends. What do you guys think? I think the thing that sparked this rumour is that the URL for the demo was first posted on the WRL forum. Also, a number of guys have been saying that a certain Chris West has been seen in the multiplayer lobby for Live For Speed (could be fake though) Hmm...... -- Damien Smith [email hidden] ICQ: 77028579

Rumours are rumours, this ones got not truth to it. The developers of LFS have responded to an email and said: "But to tell you some more about it now, here's a list of full version features. Several car categories. From simple tuned road cars to big ones, formula, karts, buggy and ofcorse a variety of tracks to go with that; cities, kart tracks, gp's, sand tracks, jamaican beach, etc. All with several configs for maximum variety. Weather effects and damage will be included. What else to say.. oh yeah, the release date is not known yet.. it'll be ready when it's ready. About the sound engine, it's a self made engine simulator. So far we can sort of simulate cylinder firings, valve clicks, simple pipe simulation, gear wind, wind etc. But it's all to be improved over time. It's very hard to simulate the sound of an engine perfectly. But like you say, the idea is there. And yes the full version will most likely allow as many multiplayer clients as you can cope with The bandwidth is variable, and I do not know the bandwith needed. It must be low as we have tested it with 56k modems and it worked fine (with not TOO much clients) We're not sure how we will market it. Maybe separate tracks/cars for sale or just the whole pack. That's why we have made this demo, so we can see what ppl want." There you go! It's an AWESOME little sim at the moment and will only get bigger and better. "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajpbla$1d1vsh$[email hidden]... > There's already rumours circulating that 'Live For Speed' is actually a > sneaky, early test of Racing Legends. What do you guys think? I thinkthe > thing that sparked this rumour is that the URL for the demo was firstposted > on the WRL forum. Also, a number of guys have been saying that a certain > Chris West has been seen in the multiplayer lobby for Live For Speed(could

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> be fake though) > Hmm...... > > -- > Damien Smith > [email hidden] > ICQ: 77028579 > > >

Thankyou for the info... Yes, after extended play, it's obvious that the rumours are a crock. The demo has only just been released and already the multiplayer lobby is brimming with drivers and everyone seems to be having a blast (despite the game crashing occasionally)

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajpbla$1d1vsh$[email hidden]... > There's already rumours circulating that 'Live For Speed' is actually a > sneaky, early test of Racing Legends. What do you guys think? I think it's a load of shite - seing as I raced Ash McC and Chris West on it last night, and we talked about how it was written by some of the guys from the Black and White development team. Doug

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajqccr$1dlbkq$[email hidden]...

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> > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ajpbla$1d1vsh$[email hidden]... > > There's already rumours circulating that 'Live For Speed' is actually a > > sneaky, early test of Racing Legends. What do you guys think? > > I think it's a load of shite - seing as I raced Ash McC and Chris West on

it > last night, and we talked about how it was written by some of the guysfrom > the Black and White development team. > > Doug That came across wrong. Live for Speed is superb -t he rumour that it's an RL early release is Shite. Doug

> > That came across wrong. Live for Speed is superb -t he rumour that it's an > RL early release is Shite. >That's too bad.. Because I would gladly "eat my shorts" if Live for Speed was an early RL preview. It's pure class. I'll bet your buddies, Chris and Tony, are wondering how they are going to justify the prices they want to charge for RL seeing as this FREE demo plays beautifully.

> I'll bet your buddies, Chris and Tony, are wondering how they are going tojustify the > prices they want to charge for RL They dont need to. RL will justify itself. If it's too expensive for you ( why else would it bother you?) - dont buy it. Whats the problem with that? DOug

"redTed" wrote... > > <snip> > That's too bad.. Because I would gladly "eat my shorts" if > Live for Speed was an early RL preview. It's pure class. > I'll bet your buddies, Chris and Tony, are wondering how > they are going to justify the prices they want to charge > for RL seeing as this FREE demo plays beautifully. <sigh> The cost of the beta would be refunded at release... if you don't believe there will be a release, don't get the beta. Word has it the actual demo for the release version will be free. A professional non-mass produced solution for "our" specific gaming need will cost relatively serious money, that is inescapable. At least two people will have to live off this piece of code and there's additional development costs to be funded. Even devided by an optimistic 10k customer base that still comes down to more than your average Doom3. I can't believe there's still people who fail to get their head around this. The supposed $50 would in effect be venture capital, no question. If you feel you can't take a chance on 50 lousy bucks then don't and wait for a free demo, a review or an opportunity to try it on a friend's PC. Otherwise, leave it... and I do mean that in the broadest sense of the word. Jan. =---

>"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote > They dont need to. RL will justify itself. Again, at this moment, it's just vapourware. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> The supposed $50 would in effect be venture capital, no question. If you > feel you can't take a chance on 50 lousy bucks then don't and wait for a > free demo, a review or an opportunity to try it on a friend's PC. Otherwise, > leave it... and I do mean that in the broadest sense of the word. a thinly veiled threat..LOL Please try and keep yourself under control.

"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ehc89.36$J47.7375@stones... > > > I'll bet your buddies, Chris and Tony, are wondering how they are going to > justify the > > prices they want to charge for RL > > They dont need to. RL will justify itself. Sure it will.. It will be so much better than Live for Speed or GPL or Nascar or F1 2002 or Rally Trophy. Why ? Because it has leather wallets for keeping your RL memorabilia in .. and special CD cases and everything. Shiny things. Ooooooooh. Keep taking the pills.

"redTed" wrote... > > <snip> > > a thinly veiled threat..LOL > Please try and keep yourself under control. Bah... I'm sure you don't know me well enough to judge my level of self-control. Be that as it may, you interpretation of my words as a threat is wrong. I'm not going to waste my time dispelling your argument any further as, in earnest, you don't have any. Everyone knows you don't want to pay for the RL beta and you don't believe the Wests have a chance of succeeding. I merely suggest you stop wasting your own time by repeating that over and over... Jan. =---

lol Jan, where is this RL beta you keep mentioning? -- Tim Doyle TDRacin� Online VRW Team Owner www.VirtualRacingWorld.com "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Qdf89.74218$[email hidden]... > "redTed" wrote... > > > <snip> > > > > a thinly veiled threat..LOL > > Please try and keep yourself under control. > > Bah... I'm sure you don't know me well enough to judge my level of > self-control. > > Be that as it may, you interpretation of my words as a threat is wrong. I'm > not going to waste my time dispelling your argument any further as, in > earnest, you don't have any. Everyone knows you don't want to pay for the RL > beta and you don't believe the Wests have a chance of succeeding. > > I merely suggest you stop wasting your own time by repeating that over and > over... > > Jan. > =--- > >

I read somewhere it Live for Speed was the RL beta incognito. Can't remember where I read it.... : | "TDRacin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4Pf89.11015$[email hidden]...

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> lol Jan, where is this RL beta you keep mentioning? > > -- > > Tim Doyle > TDRacin� Online > VRW Team Owner > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com > > > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Qdf89.74218$[email hidden]... > > "redTed" wrote... > > > > <snip> > > > > > > a thinly veiled threat..LOL > > > Please try and keep yourself under control. > > > > Bah... I'm sure you don't know me well enough to judge my level of > > self-control. > > > > Be that as it may, you interpretation of my words as a threat is wrong. > I'm > > not going to waste my time dispelling your argument any further as, in > > earnest, you don't have any. Everyone knows you don't want to pay for

the > RL > > beta and you don't believe the Wests have a chance of succeeding. > > > > I merely suggest you stop wasting your own time by repeating that overand

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I wouldnt bother Doug, seems some people just like to moan. I mean condem a couple of chaps for trying to do something different. "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ehc89.36$J47.7375@stones... > > > I'll bet your buddies, Chris and Tony, are wondering how they are goingto

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> justify the > > prices they want to charge for RL > > They dont need to. RL will justify itself. > > If it's too expensive for you ( why else would it bother you?) - dont buy > it. Whats the problem with that? > > DOug > >

Doug E has stated that's false. "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MOf89.65057$[email hidden]... > I read somewhere it Live for Speed was the RL beta incognito. Can'tremember

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> where I read it.... > > : | > > > > "TDRacin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4Pf89.11015$[email hidden]... > > lol Jan, where is this RL beta you keep mentioning? > > > > -- > > > > Tim Doyle > > TDRacin� Online > > VRW Team Owner > > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com > > > > > > > > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Qdf89.74218$[email hidden]... > > > "redTed" wrote... > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > a thinly veiled threat..LOL > > > > Please try and keep yourself under control. > > > > > > Bah... I'm sure you don't know me well enough to judge my level of > > > self-control. > > > > > > Be that as it may, you interpretation of my words as a threat is

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> > I'm > > > not going to waste my time dispelling your argument any further as, in > > > earnest, you don't have any. Everyone knows you don't want to pay for > the > > RL > > > beta and you don't believe the Wests have a chance of succeeding. > > > > > > I merely suggest you stop wasting your own time by repeating that over > and > > > over... > > > > > > Jan. > > > =--- > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajruv3$1dlsk8$[email hidden]... You clearly dont like the concept of RL, you dont like the West Brothers, you dont like their business model, their pricing plans, their ideas, website, screenshots, forum, cat, hell, you'd probably even hate the WR Polo shirts. We all know it - we're all sick of it - and we dont care. Doug

> > We all know it - we're all sick of it - and we dont care. >You speak for all now, do you ? I care that RL, if it ever comes into being, will be the ultimate "king has no clothes" scenario.

If that's the case, I wonder how much they had to pay Warner Brothers for the "Bugs Bunny" style interior graphics ? But I do really like this thing so far :) -Larry "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajpbla$1d1vsh$[email hidden]... > There's already rumours circulating that 'Live For Speed' is actually a > sneaky, early test of Racing Legends. What do you guys think? I thinkthe > thing that sparked this rumour is that the URL for the demo was firstposted > on the WRL forum. Also, a number of guys have been saying that a certain > Chris West has been seen in the multiplayer lobby for Live For Speed(could

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> be fake though) > Hmm...... > > -- > Damien Smith > [email hidden] > ICQ: 77028579 > > >

"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajtoal$1dqe5n$[email hidden]... > > > > > We all know it - we're all sick of it - and we dont care. > > > You speak for all now, do you ? > I care that RL, if it ever comes into being, will be the ultimate "kinghas no clothes" > scenario. Why - you've already said you're not going to buy it. What possible interest could you have in it? Doug

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> > > > > You speak for all now, do you ? > > I care that RL, if it ever comes into being, will be the ultimate "king > has no clothes" > > scenario. > > Why - you've already said you're not going to buy it. What possible interest > could you have in it? >

I believe I said I will not buy it if it costs anywhere in the region they are talking about, yes.. My interest is in racing sims, and this is supposedly going to be the all time, greatest racing simulation ever created. So there you have it.. See the connection ? Just because i may not be able to afford this luxury, doesn't mean i can't have any interest, does it ? It must be a real bitch that there are people who actually think differently to you. How do you cope with day to day tasks ?

Wow, you two have been goin' at it for months now... "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajucdb$1e22cs$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > You speak for all now, do you ? > > > I care that RL, if it ever comes into being, will be the ultimate"king > > has no clothes" > > > scenario. > > > > Why - you've already said you're not going to buy it. What possibleinterest > > could you have in it? > > > I believe I said I will not buy it if it costs anywhere in the region theyare talking > about, yes.. My interest is in racing sims, and this is supposedly goingto be the all > time, greatest racing simulation ever created. So there you have it.. Seethe connection ? > Just because i may not be able to afford this luxury, doesn't mean i can'thave any > interest, does it ? > It must be a real bitch that there are people who actually thinkdifferently to you. How > do you cope with day to day tasks ? > >

Wow, you two have been goin' at it for months now... differently to you. How

"jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2_y89.2635$[email hidden]... > Wow, you two have been goin' at it for months now... I know - great isnt it. Unfortunately - I just can not get my head around the guys moronic way of thinking. Similarly - he cant get round mine either DOug

"TDRacin" wrote... > lol Jan, where is this RL beta you keep mentioning? The Wests are still working on the public beta. What's more, the $50 pricetag is something which was floated (it was stated as "probably", IIRC) at the Goodwood meeting and, to the best of my knowledge, as yet unconformed. So you see the kind of emotion this prospective title stirs on both sides of the argument. It's not pretty. Jan. =---

Oh, the way you were talking, it sounded like it was a concrete thing, not something you heard from Bob who Larry heard it from his sister Mary Lou. Just remember, don't get played for a sucker in this whole WB deal (ala WSC). -- Tim Doyle TDRacin� Online VRW Team Owner www.VirtualRacingWorld.com "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZRz89.75880$[email hidden]... > "TDRacin" wrote... > > lol Jan, where is this RL beta you keep mentioning? > > The Wests are still working on the public beta. What's more, the $50 > pricetag is something which was floated (it was stated as "probably", IIRC) > at the Goodwood meeting and, to the best of my knowledge, as yet > unconformed. > > So you see the kind of emotion this prospective title stirs on both sides of > the argument. It's not pretty. > > Jan. > =--- > >

"TDRacin" wrote... > Oh, the way you were talking, it sounded like it was a > concrete thing, not something you heard from Bob who > Larry heard it from his sister Mary Lou. > > Just remember, don't get played for a sucker in this > whole WB deal (ala WSC). Sorry Tim, but I don't get this idea of people assuming the Wests are in some way out to con the simracing community as, effectively, they'd be digging their own grave as sim developers. If the beta was a rip off, because of the way we're organised, they'd be lucky to get $500 before someone cried foul loud enough to be heard around the world. Jan. =---

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:40:30 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Sorry Tim, but I don't get this idea of people assuming the Wests are in >some way out to con the simracing community as, effectively, they'd be >digging their own grave as sim developers. I haven't seen any sim they've developed. Have you? ;)

Just the way they released all this pretty artowrk for WSC, and for two years there was nothing more than press releases hyping up this revolutionary sim that was going to be the end all be all of driving simulations. Then, they supposedly sell it off to corporate and that that engine isn't going to be used for an upcoming release by that company. Now they are going to start from scratch and develop the same type of sim with a different engine? That would be quite the achievement, especially given their track record of releasing absolutely nothing to date. And their supposed business model of releasing an Alpha beta copy for capital to , well, actually I don't know why since they didn't need any money for WSC. None of their excuses make any sense. To date they are all talk and no walk, yet people seem to believe the gospel of the West Brothers. Just my opinions from what I have followed with the West Brothers. -- Tim Doyle TDRacin� Online VRW Team Owner www.VirtualRacingWorld.com "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:y6K89.76376$[email hidden]... > "TDRacin" wrote... > > Oh, the way you were talking, it sounded like it was a > > concrete thing, not something you heard from Bob who > > Larry heard it from his sister Mary Lou. > > > > Just remember, don't get played for a sucker in this > > whole WB deal (ala WSC). > > Sorry Tim, but I don't get this idea of people assuming the Wests are in > some way out to con the simracing community as, effectively, they'd be > digging their own grave as sim developers. > > If the beta was a rip off, because of the way we're organised, they'd be > lucky to get $500 before someone cried foul loud enough to be heard around > the world. > > Jan. > =--- > >

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:37:46 GMT, "TDRacin" <[email hidden]> wrote: > To date they are all talk and no >walk, yet people seem to believe the gospel of the West Brothers. Yup.

"TDRacin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KIM89.11912$[email hidden]...

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> Just the way they released all this pretty artowrk for WSC, and for two > years there was nothing more than press releases hyping up this > revolutionary sim that was going to be the end all be all of driving > simulations. Then, they supposedly sell it off to corporate and that that > engine isn't going to be used for an upcoming release by that company. > > Now they are going to start from scratch and develop the same type of sim > with a different engine? That would be quite the achievement, especially > given their track record of releasing absolutely nothing to date. And

their > supposed business model of releasing an Alpha beta copy for capital to , > well, actually I don't know why since they didn't need any money for WSC. > None of their excuses make any sense. To date they are all talk and no > walk, yet people seem to believe the gospel of the West Brothers. > > Just my opinions from what I have followed with the West Brothers. A rather mal-founded opinion as many of your facts are very wrong. I'm not going to waste my time explaining them. I'm sick of redTed and others negative attitudes DOug

lol really? I would love to hear you explain where something concrete has come from the WB. I don't care if you don't, but I also understand why. It really doesn't matter to me because there is enough good sims out right now that are way better than they were when I first started sim racing 13 years ago. They seem to be ambitious on jumping 10 years in time to release something now, but to date they haven't released anything but paper, or vaporware in internet terms. Keep beliving the gospel of WB if it makes you feel better. Most of us here have been there done that where it comes to gaming people promising us the world. -- Tim Doyle TDRacin� Online VRW Team Owner www.VirtualRacingWorld.com "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ak05uv$1eu3fp$[email hidden]... > > "TDRacin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KIM89.11912$[email hidden]... > > Just the way they released all this pretty artowrk for WSC, and for two > > years there was nothing more than press releases hyping up this > > revolutionary sim that was going to be the end all be all of driving > > simulations. Then, they supposedly sell it off to corporate and that that > > engine isn't going to be used for an upcoming release by that company. > > > > Now they are going to start from scratch and develop the same type of sim > > with a different engine? That would be quite the achievement, especially > > given their track record of releasing absolutely nothing to date. And > their > > supposed business model of releasing an Alpha beta copy for capital to , > > well, actually I don't know why since they didn't need any money for WSC. > > None of their excuses make any sense. To date they are all talk and no > > walk, yet people seem to believe the gospel of the West Brothers. > > > > Just my opinions from what I have followed with the West Brothers. > > A rather mal-founded opinion as many of your facts are very wrong. > > I'm not going to waste my time explaining them. I'm sick of redTed and > others negative attitudes > > DOug > >

"TDRacin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:d6O89.11930$[email hidden]...

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> lol really? I would love to hear you explain where something concrete has > come from the WB. I don't care if you don't, but I also understand why. It > really doesn't matter to me because there is enough good sims out right now > that are way better than they were when I first started sim racing 13 years > ago. They seem to be ambitious on jumping 10 years in time to release > something now, but to date they haven't released anything but paper, or > vaporware in internet terms. > > Keep beliving the gospel of WB if it makes you feel better. Most of us here > have been there done that where it comes to gaming people promising us the > world. >

He can't explain a thing, because he knows sod all. He's just so wrapped up in this whole saga, he can't admit that he may be wrong. I can. So can others. It wouldn't hurt one bit to be wrong about RL, it still wouldn't change the fact that only the wealthier members of this community would be able to afford it. Or should I say, those with a healthier disposable income situation..At the moment, that rules me a out unfortunately.

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:47:22 +0100, "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I can. So can others. It wouldn't hurt one bit to be wrong about RL, it still wouldn't >change the fact that only the wealthier members of this community would be able to afford >it. Or should I say, those with a healthier disposable income situation..At the moment, >that rules me a out unfortunately. Uhm.....fact?.... AFAIK the only priceindication was based on: What will it cost if you'll sell x copies of RL? IMO both sides (extreme pro- and anti- RL) are making a fool of themself. Remco

"rrevved" wrote... > > <snip> > I haven't seen any sim they've developed. > Have you? No, but they want to profile themselves as sim developers with this title, right? Geoff Crammond wasn't a racing sim developer before Revs, Papyrus weren't before Indy500. Heck, I don't remember a racing game from anyone involved with Peter Molyneux or Lionhead Studios either!! Am I missing something here? Jan. =---

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> <snip> > Uhm.....fact?.... > > AFAIK the only priceindication was based on: What > will it cost if you'll sell x copies of RL? > > IMO both sides (extreme pro- and anti- RL) are > making a fool of themself.

Put a sock in it, lurker. Jan. ;-) =---

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> Just the way they released all this pretty artowrk for > WSC, and for two years there was nothing more than press > releases hyping up this revolutionary sim that was going > to be the end all be all of driving simulations. > Then, they supposedly sell it off to corporate and that > that engine isn't going to be used for an upcoming release > by that company.

I haven't a clue about the situation with Empire, but to me there were enough indications over time to concluded WSC has actually existed in some shape or form. That you didn't get to buy a copy, doesn't mean it was never. I developed a remote control unit with timer function for operating sun blinds... when push came to shove, the company who invested in the idea didn't want to take it into production, so you can't buy one (not this particular one, anyway). This doesn't mean there isn't a working prototype in my workshop (and I still have IPR on the software). > Now they are going to start from scratch and develop the same > type of sim with a different engine? That would be quite the > achievement, especially given their track record of releasing > absolutely nothing to date. Well, I assume the "difference" between the engines is of a legal technical nature, along with some stuff they "would have done differently if they'd started over". I think the Wests' back catalogue is listed somewhere in this group. They haven't done a racing sim before though. > And their supposed business model of releasing an Alpha beta > copy for capital to, well, actually I don't know why since they > didn't need any money for WSC. Funding from Empire Interactive? A loan? Sold some posessions? -Who knows and none of our business, IMO. Put it this way, suppose you put your efforts in something, self funding it all the way and in the end, through no fault of your own, there was no product, no return on your time/effort investment. Wouldn't you want to get payed as you went along next time around? As for the validity of a payed beta/demo, this is standard practise in CAD/CAE circles. > None of their excuses make any sense. Excuses? -What do they need to apologize for? > To date they are all talk and no walk, yet people seem to believe > the gospel of the West Brothers. I have my doubts. I'm just polite enough not to smear them across the net until they're substantiated. At this point I stand to lose nothing and might see a substantial improvement in the subject of my hobby. > Just my opinions from what I have followed with the West > Brothers. Hmmm... strange how people take away different conclusions from the same source material, isn't it. Jan. =---

Put a sock in it, lurker. Jan. ;-) =---

"Jan Verschueren" wrote... > <snip> > Heck, I don't remember a racing game from anyone involved > with Peter Molyneux or Lionhead Studios either!! Scratch that... Bullfrog made High Octane, didn't they? (WipEout style game, with guns) Jan. =---

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>"rrevved" wrote... >> > <snip> >> I haven't seen any sim they've developed. >> Have you? > >No, but they want to profile themselves as sim developers with this title, >right? > >Geoff Crammond wasn't a racing sim developer before Revs, Papyrus weren't >before Indy500. Heck, I don't remember a racing game from anyone involved >with Peter Molyneux or Lionhead Studios either!! > >Am I missing something here?

ANNOUNCEMENT / PRESS RELEASE My new 1970's historical sim ( rrevved's LeMans) will be released but ONLY -when it's ready-. It will feature 904's, 908's, 917's, 512's, P3's, P4's etc., etc. It will have the most fantastic physics modeling EVER developed. *Every* component of the suspension, etc., will be individually modeled and the accuracy of even the slightest loading and deflection will be tested, and certified by Penske, Ferrari S.A., Porsche, Matra and all other major 1970's era LeMans participants. BTW, I have a couple of -very- preliminary renders around here someplace. I'll post them later. Let's all discuss my upcoming sim. Your feedback is extremely important to my development process!! Maybe someone could set up a web forum .. :)

"rrevved" wrote... > <snip> > ANNOUNCEMENT / PRESS RELEASE > <snip> Ok, I'll keep an eye out for it. Suggest you get a website though, as you can't post binaries in here. Jan. =---

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) wrote: > IMO both sides (extreme pro- and anti- RL) are making a fool of > themself. Exactly. There's no product to discuss, so what's the point? But then the same could be said of DP and FM but that doesn't seem to stop them ;o) Andrew McP

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>"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote something : > ANNOUNCEMENT / PRESS RELEASE > > My new 1970's historical sim ( rrevved's LeMans) will be released > but ONLY -when it's ready-. It will feature 904's, 908's, 917's, > 512's, P3's, P4's etc., etc. > > It will have the most fantastic physics modeling EVER > developed. *Every* component of the suspension, etc., will be > individually modeled and the accuracy of even the slightest > loading and deflection will be tested, and certified by Penske, > Ferrari S.A., Porsche, Matra and all other major 1970's era > LeMans participants. > > BTW, I have a couple of -very- preliminary renders around > here someplace. I'll post them later. > > Let's all discuss my upcoming sim. Your feedback is extremely > important to my development process!! > > Maybe someone could set up a web forum ..

But will be released in cool leather wallets to insert your E-card CD-Rom's? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

That would be Sister Mary David, not Lou... -Larry "TDRacin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TaI89.11837$[email hidden]...

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> Oh, the way you were talking, it sounded like it was a concrete thing, not > something you heard from Bob who Larry heard it from his sister Mary Lou. > > Just remember, don't get played for a sucker in this whole WB deal (ala > WSC). > > -- > > Tim Doyle > TDRacin� Online > VRW Team Owner > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com > > > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZRz89.75880$[email hidden]... > > "TDRacin" wrote... > > > lol Jan, where is this RL beta you keep mentioning? > > > > The Wests are still working on the public beta. What's more, the $50 > > pricetag is something which was floated (it was stated as "probably", > IIRC) > > at the Goodwood meeting and, to the best of my knowledge, as yet > > unconformed. > > > > So you see the kind of emotion this prospective title stirs on both

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> of > > the argument. It's not pretty. > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > > > >

oh, sorry. <g> -- Tim Doyle TDRacin� Online VRW Team Owner www.VirtualRacingWorld.com "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iUf99.1690$[email hidden]... > That would be Sister Mary David, not Lou... > > -Larry > > "TDRacin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:TaI89.11837$[email hidden]... > > Oh, the way you were talking, it sounded like it was a concrete thing, not > > something you heard from Bob who Larry heard it from his sister Mary Lou. > > > > Just remember, don't get played for a sucker in this whole WB deal (ala > > WSC). > > > > -- > > > > Tim Doyle > > TDRacin� Online > > VRW Team Owner > > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com > > > > > > > > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ZRz89.75880$[email hidden]... > > > "TDRacin" wrote... > > > > lol Jan, where is this RL beta you keep mentioning? > > > > > > The Wests are still working on the public beta. What's more, the $50 > > > pricetag is something which was floated (it was stated as "probably", > > IIRC) > > > at the Goodwood meeting and, to the best of my knowledge, as yet > > > unconformed. > > > > > > So you see the kind of emotion this prospective title stirs on both > sides > > of > > > the argument. It's not pretty. > > > > > > Jan. > > > =--- > > > > > > > > > > > >

The spec sounds good,... But I doubt that it will be like GPL <ducking and running> JensSchumi On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:39:35 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >ANNOUNCEMENT / PRESS RELEASE > >My new 1970's historical sim ( rrevved's LeMans) will be released >but ONLY -when it's ready-. It will feature 904's, 908's, 917's, >512's, P3's, P4's etc., etc. > >It will have the most fantastic physics modeling EVER >developed. *Every* component of the suspension, etc., will be >individually modeled and the accuracy of even the slightest >loading and deflection will be tested, and certified by Penske, >Ferrari S.A., Porsche, Matra and all other major 1970's era >LeMans participants. > >BTW, I have a couple of -very- preliminary renders around >here someplace. I'll post them later. > >Let's all discuss my upcoming sim. Your feedback is extremely >important to my development process!! > >Maybe someone could set up a web forum .. > > :) >

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