Hi Guys...
Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 - mentioning that I
had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've been asked
for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together a couple
shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal online N2K2
racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we design or
purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was not built for
its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving
environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car (measurements
taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions from the
driving-wheel center point.
www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif
TP
Tom Pabst's Winston Cup-style simulator cockpit
Tom Pabst showed photos of a life-size Winston Cup-style NASCAR Racing 2002 cockpit prototype. He explained plans for welded commercial versions in stock car, sports car and rally forms, possibly with plasma screens, built at a new shop at Sears Point and priced around $10,000. Others joked about an old Y2KRick La-Z-Boy rig.
Automated summary.
Looks good Tom.
You building this for resale?
What wheels, pedal, shifter are you using in it?
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi Guys...
>
> Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 - mentioning thatI
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> had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've been asked > for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together a couple > shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal online N2K2 > racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we design or > purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was not built for > its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving > environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car (measurements > taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions from the > driving-wheel center point. > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif > > TP > > >Only thing that seems odd Tom is your using such a small monitor. Why not
go with something much larger?
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi Guys...
>
> Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 - mentioning thatI
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> had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've been asked > for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together a couple > shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal online N2K2 > racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we design or > purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was not built for > its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving > environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car (measurements > taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions from the > driving-wheel center point. > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif > > TP > > >Schooner wrote:
>
> Only thing that seems odd Tom is your using such a small monitor. Why not
> go with something much larger?
The monitor is too small in my opinion too, but I would wager Tom will
be adding a larger one at some point.
Tom, have you tried 3d shutter glasses with N2k?
Gerry
>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Hi Guys...
Hi Tom. I don't know if it's just me, but I remember somebody else who had
done such a thing. His name was Y2kRick ;-)
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-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
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-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
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HAHAHA!!!!!!
But Y2K's cockpit was a broke down Laz-e-Boy,
with one of Jure's Slovenian Love Pumps under the cushion
for added vibration and a space heater running full blast beside it.
His dog chained up next to him for a spotter, while wearing
some old pajamas with racing stickers on them, and a
bicycle helmet he stole from a neighbor girl. :-)
ymenard wrote:
--
Ric Seyler
Online Racing: RicSeyler
GPL Handicap 7.01
[email hidden]
http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler
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"Homer no function beer well without."
- H.J. Simpson
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> >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Hi Guys... > > Hi Tom. I don't know if it's just me, but I remember somebody else who had > done such a thing. His name was Y2kRick ;-) > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World...Quoted text (8 lines)
>"Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote > HAHAHA!!!!!! > But Y2K's cockpit was a broke down Laz-e-Boy, > with one of Jure's Slovenian Love Pumps under the cushion > for added vibration and a space heater running full blast beside it. > His dog chained up next to him for a spotter, while wearing > some old pajamas with racing stickers on them, and a > bicycle helmet he stole from a neighbor girl. :-)Lol....
That sounds like the cockpit I built just before this one. Did I get those
plans from Y2Krick? Can't remember....-:)
TP
"Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> HAHAHA!!!!!! > But Y2K's cockpit was a broke down Laz-e-Boy, > with one of Jure's Slovenian Love Pumps under the cushion > for added vibration and a space heater running full blast beside it. > His dog chained up next to him for a spotter, while wearing > some old pajamas with racing stickers on them, and a > bicycle helmet he stole from a neighbor girl. :-) > > ymenard wrote: > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Hi Guys... > > > > Hi Tom. I don't know if it's just me, but I remember somebody else whoQuoted text (20 lines)
> > done such a thing. His name was Y2kRick ;-) > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > -- > Ric Seyler > Online Racing: RicSeyler > GPL Handicap 7.01 > [email hidden] > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > -------------------------------------- > "Homer no function beer well without." > - H.J. Simpson > > >Schooner....
"Resale"....no. Not this version, at least. The next "prototype" will be
constructed from welded 1" 1/2" tube and skinned in aluminum & fiberglass -
when our new shop opens at Sears. That prototype will be constructed with
an eye towards costs, and eventually we'll make a "stock car, sports car and
rally car" style cockpit all with optical pots and real-world equipment
controls (wheels, peddles and shifters). Those will be for sale or lease to
race teams and schools. I imagine there could be some individuals who might
purchase (lease them)....but that is not our target market. The controls in
this rig are all "parts, bits and pieces" of several units....the peddles
are real Wildwood, generic pots, etc.
TP
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I
> > had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've beenasked
> > for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together acouple
> > shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal online N2K2
> > racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we design or
> > purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was not builtfor
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> Looks good Tom. > You building this for resale? > What wheels, pedal, shifter are you using in it? > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ldt89.111319$me6.15317@sccrnsc01... > > Hi Guys... > > > > Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 - mentioningQuoted text (13 lines)
> > its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving > > environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car (measurements > > taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions from the > > driving-wheel center point. > > > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif > > > > TP > > > > > > > >The dimensions of this cockpit are "life-size" to Bobby Labonte's 2001 cup
car. I think that tends to dwarf some of the components, because I noticed
when I was creating this graphic that the monitor (and the wheel and seat
combo) looked small. That's an NEC 21" FE-1250+ monitor....biggest we could
fit into the dash/windshield area at this time. We are going to experiment
with using plasma screens on the next level prototypes. But, I'm not
entirely confident they will work properly (FOV wise)......we'll shall see.
TP
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I
> > had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've beenasked
> > for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together acouple
> > shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal online N2K2
> > racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we design or
> > purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was not builtfor
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> Only thing that seems odd Tom is your using such a small monitor. Why not > go with something much larger? > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ldt89.111319$me6.15317@sccrnsc01... > > Hi Guys... > > > > Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 - mentioningQuoted text (13 lines)
> > its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving > > environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car (measurements > > taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions from the > > driving-wheel center point. > > > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif > > > > TP > > > > > > > >Tom - what shifter are you using and is it an H pattern?
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Schooner....
>
> "Resale"....no. Not this version, at least. The next "prototype" will be
> constructed from welded 1" 1/2" tube and skinned in aluminum &fiberglass -
> when our new shop opens at Sears. That prototype will be constructed with
> an eye towards costs, and eventually we'll make a "stock car, sports carand
> rally car" style cockpit all with optical pots and real-world equipment
> controls (wheels, peddles and shifters). Those will be for sale or leaseto
> race teams and schools. I imagine there could be some individuals whomight
> purchase (lease them)....but that is not our target market. The controlsin
N2K2
> > > racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we designor
> > > purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was not built
> for
> > > its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving
> > > environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car(measurements
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> this rig are all "parts, bits and pieces" of several units....the peddles > are real Wildwood, generic pots, etc. > > TP > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dht89.15561$[email hidden]... > > Looks good Tom. > > You building this for resale? > > What wheels, pedal, shifter are you using in it? > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ldt89.111319$me6.15317@sccrnsc01... > > > Hi Guys... > > > > > > Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 - mentioning > that > > I > > > had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've been > asked > > > for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together a > couple > > > shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal onlineQuoted text (13 lines)
> > > taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions from the > > > driving-wheel center point. > > > > > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif > > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >By the way.....
If the plasma screen FOV issues can be resolved, then we will be running the
simulation software in these cockpits without a dash. Whether the screen
will have some part of the nose/hood of the race car or not will be part of
the "issues" to resolve with the plasma screen use.
If these things can be resolved to our satisfaction (and this is a big "if"
....at the moment) then we will be looking to establish an OEM relationship
with one or more sim developers to create a version of their racing
simulation that can feed the data from the race car instrumentation to real
gauges mounted in the cockpit dash board. We have located racing gauges
that can receive digital data input, and convert that to analogue gauge
output (or digital output). We will also consider working with a
"privateer" on this if one presents itself in the next few months.
If you (individual or sim developer) want to consider co-developing this
concept with us, please send me an email at: [email hidden]
Regards,
Tom
PS: Or, you can call me at 707-763-3150 - Sears Point Raceway, Sonoma,
CA -USA, Pacific Daylight Savings Time Zone
PSS: We are interested in stock car, rally car, sports car and open wheel
racing simulations for these cockpits. However, we have strict
specifications as to performance and realism.....since these cockpits are
designed and marketed to real-world drivers, race teams and schools. No FF
is required at this time, and we don't anticipate requiring it in any sim
software for the foreseeable future.
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi Guys...
>
> Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 - mentioning thatI
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> had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've been asked > for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together a couple > shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal online N2K2 > racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we design or > purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was not built for > its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving > environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car (measurements > taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions from the > driving-wheel center point. > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif > > TP > > >In this cockpit right now, its a prototype (Hurst) shifter with hand-made
detensors and a disassembled AL harness. We are talking to several
manufacturers about OEM relationships for shifters and the accompanying
electronics. For the rally car cockpits, we will use wheel ring shifters
and real handbrake mechanisms and the sports car cockpits will use
short-gate tower shifters.
TP
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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be
> > constructed from welded 1" 1/2" tube and skinned in aluminum &
> fiberglass -
> > when our new shop opens at Sears. That prototype will be constructedwith
> > an eye towards costs, and eventually we'll make a "stock car, sports car
> and
> > rally car" style cockpit all with optical pots and real-world equipment
> > controls (wheels, peddles and shifters). Those will be for sale orlease
> to
> > race teams and schools. I imagine there could be some individuals who
> might
> > purchase (lease them)....but that is not our target market. Thecontrols
> in
> > this rig are all "parts, bits and pieces" of several units....thepeddles
mentioning
built
> > for
> > > > its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving
> > > > environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car
> (measurements
> > > > taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions fromthe
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> Tom - what shifter are you using and is it an H pattern? > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:txv89.221450$[email hidden]... > > Schooner.... > > > > "Resale"....no. Not this version, at least. The next "prototype" willQuoted text (16 lines)
> > are real Wildwood, generic pots, etc. > > > > TP > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:dht89.15561$[email hidden]... > > > Looks good Tom. > > > You building this for resale? > > > What wheels, pedal, shifter are you using in it? > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ldt89.111319$me6.15317@sccrnsc01... > > > > Hi Guys... > > > > > > > > Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 -Quoted text (11 lines)
> > that > > > I > > > > had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've been > > asked > > > > for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together a > > couple > > > > shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal online > N2K2 > > > > racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we design > or > > > > purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was notQuoted text (14 lines)
> > > > driving-wheel center point. > > > > > > > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif > > > > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Tom,
What views are you using there? If possible could you post or send your
views to me.
Thanks you.
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi Guys...
>
> Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 - mentioning thatI
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> had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've been asked > for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together a couple > shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal online N2K2 > racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we design or > purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was not built for > its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving > environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car (measurements > taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions from the > driving-wheel center point. > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif > > TP > > >>But Y2K's cockpit was a broke down Laz-e-Boy,
>with one of Jure's Slovenian Love Pumps under the cushion
>for added vibration and a space heater running full blast beside it.
>His dog chained up next to him for a spotter, while wearing
>some old pajamas with racing stickers on them, and a bicycle helmet he stolefrom a neighbor girl. :-)
That has to be one of the funniest things I have ever read. :=)
BackM....
They've been posted many times in the last week.....do a Google search and
you'll find it easily.
TP
"Backmarker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I
> > had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've beenasked
> > for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together acouple
> > shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal online N2K2
> > racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we design or
> > purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was not builtfor
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> Hi Tom, > > What views are you using there? If possible could you post or send your > views to me. > > Thanks you. > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ldt89.111319$me6.15317@sccrnsc01... > > Hi Guys... > > > > Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 - mentioningQuoted text (13 lines)
> > its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving > > environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car (measurements > > taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions from the > > driving-wheel center point. > > > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif > > > > TP > > > > > > > >Back...
I found the link for you, here it is:
www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/n2k2_alt_cockpit.zip
Sorry for not posting this last night when I replied to your post. I was in
a hurry to leave the house, but sounded like a jerk for not saying so. My
apologies.....
Tom
"Backmarker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I
> > had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've beenasked
> > for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together acouple
> > shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal online N2K2
> > racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we design or
> > purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was not builtfor
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> Hi Tom, > > What views are you using there? If possible could you post or send your > views to me. > > Thanks you. > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ldt89.111319$me6.15317@sccrnsc01... > > Hi Guys... > > > > Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 - mentioningQuoted text (13 lines)
> > its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving > > environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car (measurements > > taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions from the > > driving-wheel center point. > > > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif > > > > TP > > > > > > > >Thank you for the link. I didn't know if they were custom using a GPL FOV
program or if they were Sam Dobie's N4 version.
Thanks again,
Backmarker
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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your
N2K2
> > > racing rig......which I can now use for testing components we designor
> > > purchase for use in show-car conversions. This cockpit was not built
> for
> > > its external "looks"....as you will see, but the internal driving
> > > environment is 98% accurate to Bobby Labonte's 2001 WC car(measurements
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> a hurry to leave the house, but sounded like a jerk for not saying so. My > apologies..... > > Tom > > > > > "Backmarker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hi Tom, > > > > What views are you using there? If possible could you post or sendQuoted text (16 lines)
> > views to me. > > > > Thanks you. > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ldt89.111319$me6.15317@sccrnsc01... > > > Hi Guys... > > > > > > Ever since I posted the alternative cockpit cam for N2K2 - mentioning > that > > I > > > had created it for this WC-style cockpit we were building, I've been > asked > > > for pictures. I finally got some pics yesterday and put together a > couple > > > shots of the cockpit for you. This unit is now my personal onlineQuoted text (13 lines)
> > > taken at a Sears Point testing day) regarding all dimensions from the > > > driving-wheel center point. > > > > > > www.pabst-racing.com/webscreens/wc_cockpit.gif > > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >That was the "first" prototype. The whole y2k thing threw him off for a few
years. Now Tom, err, I mean y2krick has the time to perfect the the "first"
prototype.
I don't know doesn't this seem a little overboard with the suit, helmet.
window net and racing seat thing?
"Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> HAHAHA!!!!!! > But Y2K's cockpit was a broke down Laz-e-Boy, > with one of Jure's Slovenian Love Pumps under the cushion > for added vibration and a space heater running full blast beside it. > His dog chained up next to him for a spotter, while wearing > some old pajamas with racing stickers on them, and a > bicycle helmet he stole from a neighbor girl. :-) > > ymenard wrote: > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Hi Guys... > > > > Hi Tom. I don't know if it's just me, but I remember somebody else whoQuoted text (20 lines)
> > done such a thing. His name was Y2kRick ;-) > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > -- > Ric Seyler > Online Racing: RicSeyler > GPL Handicap 7.01 > [email hidden] > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > -------------------------------------- > "Homer no function beer well without." > - H.J. Simpson > > >Wayne...
"Yes"...totally overboard for normal online sim racing. The helmet is
useful for "immersion" only if you are a real-world driver....you just don't
feel like you are racing without having one on. But, add the "wireless"
headset for the spotter sounds and it becomes a real advantage to have it
on....for everyone.
One thing to keep in mind, we intend to use these cockpits for
"coaching"....and believe it or not, guys who race for real need to wear
exactly what they wear in their real race cars.....or lose some of the
immersion potential of the sim. What I'm saying is....."Its much more
important for a Jeff Gordon to wear his entire driver's suit and
gear....than it would be for someone who has never real-world raced."
That's just kind of the opposite of most people would think, you know? The
reason for recreating the exact dimensional environment of the cockpit....is
the same reason the fake roll cage and window net is used. It all adds to
the brain's immersion. The better you can get the brain to think its in a
real race car, the more it will fill in missing data and components/feedback
it gets in a real race car. Its actually easier to fool Jeff Gordon's
brain....than it is someone who has never raced. Jeff's brain is in a race
car every week. It knows what its like and if you give it 5 or 6 of the 10
(or so) elements of data/feedback it gets in a real race.....give those
really well, it easily will cooperate by filling in the missing stuff. This
is why some people get vertigo or car sick.....racing in a simulator. This
is why we have time and time again, had people get out of the sim....and
can't walk or control their legs very well....for the first 30-seconds or so
after getting out....just like when they first climb out of a race car after
a few hours of running. We used to be amazed at this, now we expect it.
TP
"Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> That was the "first" prototype. The whole y2k thing threw him off for afew
> years. Now Tom, err, I mean y2krick has the time to perfect the the"first"
who
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> prototype. > > I don't know doesn't this seem a little overboard with the suit, helmet. > window net and racing seat thing? > > > > "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > HAHAHA!!!!!! > > But Y2K's cockpit was a broke down Laz-e-Boy, > > with one of Jure's Slovenian Love Pumps under the cushion > > for added vibration and a space heater running full blast beside it. > > His dog chained up next to him for a spotter, while wearing > > some old pajamas with racing stickers on them, and a > > bicycle helmet he stole from a neighbor girl. :-) > > > > ymenard wrote: > > > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > Hi Guys... > > > > > > Hi Tom. I don't know if it's just me, but I remember somebody elseQuoted text (23 lines)
> had > > > done such a thing. His name was Y2kRick ;-) > > > > > > -- > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > -- > > Ric Seyler > > Online Racing: RicSeyler > > GPL Handicap 7.01 > > [email hidden] > > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > > -------------------------------------- > > "Homer no function beer well without." > > - H.J. Simpson > > > > > > > >Yeah, I understand what you're creating is something a little more involved
then what is going to be in someone house. I would also surmise that these
things will not be cheap to rent/use, therefore overboard is a good thing.
Anyway, I am just babbling. I do still believe it is overboard, but rightly
so for the application. It's all part of the "sell". I would definitely
give it a go.
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Fyb99.202854$UU1.36513@sccrnsc03...
> Wayne...
>
> "Yes"...totally overboard for normal online sim racing. The helmet is
> useful for "immersion" only if you are a real-world driver....you justdon't
The
> reason for recreating the exact dimensional environment of thecockpit....is
> the same reason the fake roll cage and window net is used. It all adds to
> the brain's immersion. The better you can get the brain to think its in a
> real race car, the more it will fill in missing data andcomponents/feedback
> it gets in a real race car. Its actually easier to fool Jeff Gordon's
> brain....than it is someone who has never raced. Jeff's brain is in arace
> car every week. It knows what its like and if you give it 5 or 6 of the10
> (or so) elements of data/feedback it gets in a real race.....give those
> really well, it easily will cooperate by filling in the missing stuff.This
> is why some people get vertigo or car sick.....racing in a simulator.This
> is why we have time and time again, had people get out of the sim....and
> can't walk or control their legs very well....for the first 30-seconds orso
> after getting out....just like when they first climb out of a race carafter
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> feel like you are racing without having one on. But, add the "wireless" > headset for the spotter sounds and it becomes a real advantage to have it > on....for everyone. > > One thing to keep in mind, we intend to use these cockpits for > "coaching"....and believe it or not, guys who race for real need to wear > exactly what they wear in their real race cars.....or lose some of the > immersion potential of the sim. What I'm saying is....."Its much more > important for a Jeff Gordon to wear his entire driver's suit and > gear....than it would be for someone who has never real-world raced." > That's just kind of the opposite of most people would think, you know?Quoted text (62 lines)
> a few hours of running. We used to be amazed at this, now we expect it. > > TP > > > > > "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ak377f$6dv$[email hidden]... > > That was the "first" prototype. The whole y2k thing threw him off for a > few > > years. Now Tom, err, I mean y2krick has the time to perfect the the > "first" > > prototype. > > > > I don't know doesn't this seem a little overboard with the suit, helmet. > > window net and racing seat thing? > > > > > > > > "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > HAHAHA!!!!!! > > > But Y2K's cockpit was a broke down Laz-e-Boy, > > > with one of Jure's Slovenian Love Pumps under the cushion > > > for added vibration and a space heater running full blast beside it. > > > His dog chained up next to him for a spotter, while wearing > > > some old pajamas with racing stickers on them, and a > > > bicycle helmet he stole from a neighbor girl. :-) > > > > > > ymenard wrote: > > > > > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > Hi Guys... > > > > > > > > Hi Tom. I don't know if it's just me, but I remember somebody else > who > > had > > > > done such a thing. His name was Y2kRick ;-) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > -- > > > Ric Seyler > > > Online Racing: RicSeyler > > > GPL Handicap 7.01 > > > [email hidden] > > > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > > > -------------------------------------- > > > "Homer no function beer well without." > > > - H.J. Simpson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You know, actually Wayne...I don't think they'll end up being that
expensive. We are shooting for a retail/lease price of something in the
$10K range. That's nothing....for race teams or schools who spend 5 to 10
times that for school cars....or that's a Busch teams tire budget for one
weekend. Sure, we are going to make some high-tech versions with plasma
screens (add $8K just for those) and will be constantly pushing the edge of
the envelope for sound, vibration and visuals......but those will be more
for the top pros. The day is not far away when it won't just be Dale, Jr.
and Tony S. who train (to one degree or another) on a simulator....not far
off at all.
If you had your own computer equipment already and wanted to install your
own sound system.....I don't think it would be unreasonable for these
cockpits to retail in the $5,000 range. Now that's not totally out of range
for some serious sim racers......heck...not at all I don't think. I know
guys who easily spend that much on a new set of custom golf clubs! That's
still a "leasible" price range......and with our putting together a "set" of
leasing companies that will already have pre-approved the cockpits for lease
(the lessee only needs to qualify for the lease).....it could easily be in
reach of many sim hobbyists (payments would be under $100 a month....for a
five year lease).
Of course, at some point demand would outstrip our capacity (our race shop
at Sears will be able to produce three of these WC-style cockpits a month -
we have four cockpit construction bays....but the fourth bay is being
reserved for show car conversions to simulators) and we'd have to raise the
prices....or invest in a new shop or manufacturing plan. And, that's not
our target....since I want to be low volume so we can stay "cutting edge"
with these cockpits - at least for the next three years.
I'm looking forward to the day when I can come into r.a.s. and say, "We just
sold a cockpit to so and so." And everyone knows who the driver is. That
will be cool!
Thanks for your "thoughts" on the cockpit, Wayne.
Regards,
Tom
"Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:ak3hr3$bvd$[email hidden]...
> Yeah, I understand what you're creating is something a little moreinvolved
> then what is going to be in someone house. I would also surmise thatthese
> things will not be cheap to rent/use, therefore overboard is a good thing.
>
> Anyway, I am just babbling. I do still believe it is overboard, butrightly
it
to
> > the brain's immersion. The better you can get the brain to think its ina
or
a
> > few
> > > years. Now Tom, err, I mean y2krick has the time to perfect the the
> > "first"
> > > prototype.
> > >
> > > I don't know doesn't this seem a little overboard with the suit,helmet.
else
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> so for the application. It's all part of the "sell". I would definitely > give it a go. > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Fyb99.202854$UU1.36513@sccrnsc03... > > Wayne... > > > > "Yes"...totally overboard for normal online sim racing. The helmet is > > useful for "immersion" only if you are a real-world driver....you just > don't > > feel like you are racing without having one on. But, add the "wireless" > > headset for the spotter sounds and it becomes a real advantage to haveQuoted text (13 lines)
> > on....for everyone. > > > > One thing to keep in mind, we intend to use these cockpits for > > "coaching"....and believe it or not, guys who race for real need to wear > > exactly what they wear in their real race cars.....or lose some of the > > immersion potential of the sim. What I'm saying is....."Its much more > > important for a Jeff Gordon to wear his entire driver's suit and > > gear....than it would be for someone who has never real-world raced." > > That's just kind of the opposite of most people would think, you know? > The > > reason for recreating the exact dimensional environment of the > cockpit....is > > the same reason the fake roll cage and window net is used. It all addsQuoted text (14 lines)
> > real race car, the more it will fill in missing data and > components/feedback > > it gets in a real race car. Its actually easier to fool Jeff Gordon's > > brain....than it is someone who has never raced. Jeff's brain is in a > race > > car every week. It knows what its like and if you give it 5 or 6 of the > 10 > > (or so) elements of data/feedback it gets in a real race.....give those > > really well, it easily will cooperate by filling in the missing stuff. > This > > is why some people get vertigo or car sick.....racing in a simulator. > This > > is why we have time and time again, had people get out of the sim....and > > can't walk or control their legs very well....for the first 30-secondsQuoted text (13 lines)
> so > > after getting out....just like when they first climb out of a race car > after > > a few hours of running. We used to be amazed at this, now we expect it. > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ak377f$6dv$[email hidden]... > > > That was the "first" prototype. The whole y2k thing threw him off forQuoted text (20 lines)
> > > window net and racing seat thing? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > HAHAHA!!!!!! > > > > But Y2K's cockpit was a broke down Laz-e-Boy, > > > > with one of Jure's Slovenian Love Pumps under the cushion > > > > for added vibration and a space heater running full blast beside it. > > > > His dog chained up next to him for a spotter, while wearing > > > > some old pajamas with racing stickers on them, and a > > > > bicycle helmet he stole from a neighbor girl. :-) > > > > > > > > ymenard wrote: > > > > > > > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > Hi Guys... > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom. I don't know if it's just me, but I remember somebodyQuoted text (28 lines)
> > who > > > had > > > > > done such a thing. His name was Y2kRick ;-) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ric Seyler > > > > Online Racing: RicSeyler > > > > GPL Handicap 7.01 > > > > [email hidden] > > > > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > "Homer no function beer well without." > > > > - H.J. Simpson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You also need to figure in the cost of shipping these units Tom, which won't
be cheap.
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:cwi99.216133$[email hidden]...
> You know, actually Wayne...I don't think they'll end up being that
> expensive. We are shooting for a retail/lease price of something in the
> $10K range. That's nothing....for race teams or schools who spend 5 to 10
> times that for school cars....or that's a Busch teams tire budget for one
> weekend. Sure, we are going to make some high-tech versions with plasma
> screens (add $8K just for those) and will be constantly pushing the edgeof
range
> for some serious sim racers......heck...not at all I don't think. I know
> guys who easily spend that much on a new set of custom golf clubs! That's
> still a "leasible" price range......and with our putting together a "set"of
> leasing companies that will already have pre-approved the cockpits forlease
> (the lessee only needs to qualify for the lease).....it could easily be in
> reach of many sim hobbyists (payments would be under $100 a month....for a
> five year lease).
>
> Of course, at some point demand would outstrip our capacity (our race shop
> at Sears will be able to produce three of these WC-style cockpits amonth -
> we have four cockpit construction bays....but the fourth bay is being
> reserved for show car conversions to simulators) and we'd have to raisethe
> prices....or invest in a new shop or manufacturing plan. And, that's not
> our target....since I want to be low volume so we can stay "cutting edge"
> with these cockpits - at least for the next three years.
>
> I'm looking forward to the day when I can come into r.a.s. and say, "Wejust
thing.
> >
> > Anyway, I am just babbling. I do still believe it is overboard, but
> rightly
> > so for the application. It's all part of the "sell". I woulddefinitely
"wireless"
> > > headset for the spotter sounds and it becomes a real advantage to have
> it
> > > on....for everyone.
> > >
> > > One thing to keep in mind, we intend to use these cockpits for
> > > "coaching"....and believe it or not, guys who race for real need towear
adds
> to
> > > the brain's immersion. The better you can get the brain to think itsin
the
> > 10
> > > (or so) elements of data/feedback it gets in a real race.....givethose
> > > really well, it easily will cooperate by filling in the missing stuff.
> > This
> > > is why some people get vertigo or car sick.....racing in a simulator.
> > This
> > > is why we have time and time again, had people get out of thesim....and
> > > can't walk or control their legs very well....for the first 30-seconds
> or
> > so
> > > after getting out....just like when they first climb out of a race car
> > after
> > > a few hours of running. We used to be amazed at this, now we expectit.
for
it.
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> the envelope for sound, vibration and visuals......but those will be more > for the top pros. The day is not far away when it won't just be Dale, Jr. > and Tony S. who train (to one degree or another) on a simulator....not far > off at all. > > If you had your own computer equipment already and wanted to install your > own sound system.....I don't think it would be unreasonable for these > cockpits to retail in the $5,000 range. Now that's not totally out ofQuoted text (18 lines)
> sold a cockpit to so and so." And everyone knows who the driver is. That > will be cool! > > Thanks for your "thoughts" on the cockpit, Wayne. > > Regards, > > Tom > > > > "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ak3hr3$bvd$[email hidden]... > > Yeah, I understand what you're creating is something a little more > involved > > then what is going to be in someone house. I would also surmise that > these > > things will not be cheap to rent/use, therefore overboard is a goodQuoted text (12 lines)
> > give it a go. > > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Fyb99.202854$UU1.36513@sccrnsc03... > > > Wayne... > > > > > > "Yes"...totally overboard for normal online sim racing. The helmet is > > > useful for "immersion" only if you are a real-world driver....you just > > don't > > > feel like you are racing without having one on. But, add theQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > exactly what they wear in their real race cars.....or lose some of the > > > immersion potential of the sim. What I'm saying is....."Its much more > > > important for a Jeff Gordon to wear his entire driver's suit and > > > gear....than it would be for someone who has never real-world raced." > > > That's just kind of the opposite of most people would think, you know? > > The > > > reason for recreating the exact dimensional environment of the > > cockpit....is > > > the same reason the fake roll cage and window net is used. It allQuoted text (7 lines)
> a > > > real race car, the more it will fill in missing data and > > components/feedback > > > it gets in a real race car. Its actually easier to fool Jeff Gordon's > > > brain....than it is someone who has never raced. Jeff's brain is in a > > race > > > car every week. It knows what its like and if you give it 5 or 6 ofQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ak377f$6dv$[email hidden]... > > > > That was the "first" prototype. The whole y2k thing threw him offQuoted text (18 lines)
> a > > > few > > > > years. Now Tom, err, I mean y2krick has the time to perfect the the > > > "first" > > > > prototype. > > > > > > > > I don't know doesn't this seem a little overboard with the suit, > helmet. > > > > window net and racing seat thing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > HAHAHA!!!!!! > > > > > But Y2K's cockpit was a broke down Laz-e-Boy, > > > > > with one of Jure's Slovenian Love Pumps under the cushion > > > > > for added vibration and a space heater running full blast besideQuoted text (41 lines)
> > > > > His dog chained up next to him for a spotter, while wearing > > > > > some old pajamas with racing stickers on them, and a > > > > > bicycle helmet he stole from a neighbor girl. :-) > > > > > > > > > > ymenard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > > Hi Guys... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom. I don't know if it's just me, but I remember somebody > else > > > who > > > > had > > > > > > done such a thing. His name was Y2kRick ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ric Seyler > > > > > Online Racing: RicSeyler > > > > > GPL Handicap 7.01 > > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > > "Homer no function beer well without." > > > > > - H.J. Simpson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Good Luck Tom. It sounds very ambitous to say the least. So are you
renting space @ SP to build the cockpits, house a sim racing school or both?
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:cwi99.216133$[email hidden]...
> You know, actually Wayne...I don't think they'll end up being that
> expensive. We are shooting for a retail/lease price of something in the
> $10K range. That's nothing....for race teams or schools who spend 5 to 10
> times that for school cars....or that's a Busch teams tire budget for one
> weekend. Sure, we are going to make some high-tech versions with plasma
> screens (add $8K just for those) and will be constantly pushing the edgeof
range
> for some serious sim racers......heck...not at all I don't think. I know
> guys who easily spend that much on a new set of custom golf clubs! That's
> still a "leasible" price range......and with our putting together a "set"of
> leasing companies that will already have pre-approved the cockpits forlease
> (the lessee only needs to qualify for the lease).....it could easily be in
> reach of many sim hobbyists (payments would be under $100 a month....for a
> five year lease).
>
> Of course, at some point demand would outstrip our capacity (our race shop
> at Sears will be able to produce three of these WC-style cockpits amonth -
> we have four cockpit construction bays....but the fourth bay is being
> reserved for show car conversions to simulators) and we'd have to raisethe
> prices....or invest in a new shop or manufacturing plan. And, that's not
> our target....since I want to be low volume so we can stay "cutting edge"
> with these cockpits - at least for the next three years.
>
> I'm looking forward to the day when I can come into r.a.s. and say, "Wejust
thing.
> >
> > Anyway, I am just babbling. I do still believe it is overboard, but
> rightly
> > so for the application. It's all part of the "sell". I woulddefinitely
"wireless"
> > > headset for the spotter sounds and it becomes a real advantage to have
> it
> > > on....for everyone.
> > >
> > > One thing to keep in mind, we intend to use these cockpits for
> > > "coaching"....and believe it or not, guys who race for real need towear
adds
> to
> > > the brain's immersion. The better you can get the brain to think itsin
the
> > 10
> > > (or so) elements of data/feedback it gets in a real race.....givethose
> > > really well, it easily will cooperate by filling in the missing stuff.
> > This
> > > is why some people get vertigo or car sick.....racing in a simulator.
> > This
> > > is why we have time and time again, had people get out of thesim....and
> > > can't walk or control their legs very well....for the first 30-seconds
> or
> > so
> > > after getting out....just like when they first climb out of a race car
> > after
> > > a few hours of running. We used to be amazed at this, now we expectit.
for
it.
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> the envelope for sound, vibration and visuals......but those will be more > for the top pros. The day is not far away when it won't just be Dale, Jr. > and Tony S. who train (to one degree or another) on a simulator....not far > off at all. > > If you had your own computer equipment already and wanted to install your > own sound system.....I don't think it would be unreasonable for these > cockpits to retail in the $5,000 range. Now that's not totally out ofQuoted text (18 lines)
> sold a cockpit to so and so." And everyone knows who the driver is. That > will be cool! > > Thanks for your "thoughts" on the cockpit, Wayne. > > Regards, > > Tom > > > > "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ak3hr3$bvd$[email hidden]... > > Yeah, I understand what you're creating is something a little more > involved > > then what is going to be in someone house. I would also surmise that > these > > things will not be cheap to rent/use, therefore overboard is a goodQuoted text (12 lines)
> > give it a go. > > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Fyb99.202854$UU1.36513@sccrnsc03... > > > Wayne... > > > > > > "Yes"...totally overboard for normal online sim racing. The helmet is > > > useful for "immersion" only if you are a real-world driver....you just > > don't > > > feel like you are racing without having one on. But, add theQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > exactly what they wear in their real race cars.....or lose some of the > > > immersion potential of the sim. What I'm saying is....."Its much more > > > important for a Jeff Gordon to wear his entire driver's suit and > > > gear....than it would be for someone who has never real-world raced." > > > That's just kind of the opposite of most people would think, you know? > > The > > > reason for recreating the exact dimensional environment of the > > cockpit....is > > > the same reason the fake roll cage and window net is used. It allQuoted text (7 lines)
> a > > > real race car, the more it will fill in missing data and > > components/feedback > > > it gets in a real race car. Its actually easier to fool Jeff Gordon's > > > brain....than it is someone who has never raced. Jeff's brain is in a > > race > > > car every week. It knows what its like and if you give it 5 or 6 ofQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ak377f$6dv$[email hidden]... > > > > That was the "first" prototype. The whole y2k thing threw him offQuoted text (18 lines)
> a > > > few > > > > years. Now Tom, err, I mean y2krick has the time to perfect the the > > > "first" > > > > prototype. > > > > > > > > I don't know doesn't this seem a little overboard with the suit, > helmet. > > > > window net and racing seat thing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > HAHAHA!!!!!! > > > > > But Y2K's cockpit was a broke down Laz-e-Boy, > > > > > with one of Jure's Slovenian Love Pumps under the cushion > > > > > for added vibration and a space heater running full blast besideQuoted text (41 lines)
> > > > > His dog chained up next to him for a spotter, while wearing > > > > > some old pajamas with racing stickers on them, and a > > > > > bicycle helmet he stole from a neighbor girl. :-) > > > > > > > > > > ymenard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > > Hi Guys... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom. I don't know if it's just me, but I remember somebody > else > > > who > > > > had > > > > > > done such a thing. His name was Y2kRick ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ric Seyler > > > > > Online Racing: RicSeyler > > > > > GPL Handicap 7.01 > > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > > "Homer no function beer well without." > > > > > - H.J. Simpson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Schooner wrote:
>
> You also need to figure in the cost of shipping these units Tom, which won't
> be cheap.
You could suspend one between two African swallows that just happen to
be migrating in the right direction?
Pretty sure they only carry coconuts.
"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Schooner wrote:
> >
> > You also need to figure in the cost of shipping these units Tom, whichwon't
> > be cheap.
>
> You could suspend one between two African swallows that just happen to
> be migrating in the right direction?
Schooner wrote:
Are we into quoting MP stuff now ?
Sure beats the endless and rather boring threads with Frank and David,
that's for sure
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
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> > Pretty sure they only carry coconuts. > > "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Schooner wrote: > > > > > > You also need to figure in the cost of shipping these units Tom, which > won't > > > be cheap. > > > > You could suspend one between two African swallows that just happen to > > be migrating in the right direction?Wayne...
We will be renting shop space at Sears.....its under construction as we
speak (due for move in on late September).
As to running a school....well, not exactly. We do plan to have three sims
setup and operational at all times. They will be an open cockpit, WC-style
cockpit and a sports car cockpit (probably something like a Porsche GTS
cockpit or similar). Russell has expressed an interest in being able to
conduct special classes in these sims from time to time, primarily when they
have pro drivers come in for private lessons. In addition, many of the
drivers who "house/store" their cars in the race shops at Sears have asked
if they can "rent" practice time in the sims from us (on an appointment
basis). And, Sears Point management has asked about being able to bring VIP
visitors up for a go on the sims. They will "trade out" free track time to
us for that sim time. We've agreed in principal....with all three of these
groups. So... "a school"....no. But its kind of similar, maybe?
TP
"Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Good Luck Tom. It sounds very ambitous to say the least. So are you
> renting space @ SP to build the cockpits, house a sim racing school orboth?
10
> > times that for school cars....or that's a Busch teams tire budget forone
> > weekend. Sure, we are going to make some high-tech versions with plasma
> > screens (add $8K just for those) and will be constantly pushing the edge
> of
> > the envelope for sound, vibration and visuals......but those will bemore
> > for the top pros. The day is not far away when it won't just be Dale,Jr.
> > and Tony S. who train (to one degree or another) on a simulator....notfar
> > off at all.
> >
> > If you had your own computer equipment already and wanted to installyour
> > own sound system.....I don't think it would be unreasonable for these
> > cockpits to retail in the $5,000 range. Now that's not totally out of
> range
> > for some serious sim racers......heck...not at all I don't think. Iknow
> > guys who easily spend that much on a new set of custom golf clubs!That's
> > still a "leasible" price range......and with our putting together a"set"
> of
> > leasing companies that will already have pre-approved the cockpits for
> lease
> > (the lessee only needs to qualify for the lease).....it could easily bein
> > reach of many sim hobbyists (payments would be under $100 a month....fora
> > five year lease).
> >
> > Of course, at some point demand would outstrip our capacity (our raceshop
> > at Sears will be able to produce three of these WC-style cockpits a
> month -
> > we have four cockpit construction bays....but the fourth bay is being
> > reserved for show car conversions to simulators) and we'd have to raise
> the
> > prices....or invest in a new shop or manufacturing plan. And, that'snot
> > our target....since I want to be low volume so we can stay "cuttingedge"
> > with these cockpits - at least for the next three years.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to the day when I can come into r.a.s. and say, "We
> just
> > sold a cockpit to so and so." And everyone knows who the driver is.That
is
> > > > useful for "immersion" only if you are a real-world driver....youjust
> > > don't
> > > > feel like you are racing without having one on. But, add the
> "wireless"
> > > > headset for the spotter sounds and it becomes a real advantage tohave
the
> > > > immersion potential of the sim. What I'm saying is....."Its muchmore
> > > > important for a Jeff Gordon to wear his entire driver's suit and
> > > > gear....than it would be for someone who has never real-worldraced."
> > > > That's just kind of the opposite of most people would think, youknow?
its
> in
> > a
> > > > real race car, the more it will fill in missing data and
> > > components/feedback
> > > > it gets in a real race car. Its actually easier to fool JeffGordon's
> > > > brain....than it is someone who has never raced. Jeff's brain is ina
stuff.
> > > This
> > > > is why some people get vertigo or car sick.....racing in asimulator.
> > > This
> > > > is why we have time and time again, had people get out of the
> sim....and
> > > > can't walk or control their legs very well....for the first30-seconds
> > or
> > > so
> > > > after getting out....just like when they first climb out of a racecar
the
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