Flame warGTR2 demo announced, with Starforce dropped
A poster announced the GTR2 demo for the coming Friday, and attention immediately turned to copy protection. AutoSimSport reported that Starforce had been dropped from GTR2 in favour of SecuROM, with full release scheduled for 30 September. The thread then descended into abusive exchanges between Starforce critics and defenders.
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> http://www.gamespot.com/promos/2006/gtr2-demo/
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Oh yes!!!
Looks awesome! Is it for the PC only?
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Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ?
-Larry
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> http://www.gamespot.com/promos/2006/gtr2-demo/
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I'm sure Starforce is used.
Will there be multiplayer in the demo?
Alanb
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| Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? | | -Larry | | <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | > http://www.gamespot.com/promos/2006/gtr2-demo/ | > | |Why? Who cares...
Marni
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> Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? > > -Larry > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> http://www.gamespot.com/promos/2006/gtr2-demo/ >> > >Why? Who cares...
Marni
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> Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? > -Larry >> http://www.gamespot.com/promos/2006/gtr2-demo/Agreed, who does care?
Marni wrote:
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> Why? Who cares... > > Marni > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rrLvg.70617$fG3.53350@dukeread09... > >> Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? >> >> -Larry >> >> <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> >>> http://www.gamespot.com/promos/2006/gtr2-demo/ >>> >> >> >Agreed, who does care?
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> Why? Who cares... > Marni >> Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? >> -Larry >>> http://www.gamespot.com/promos/2006/gtr2-demo/No it's single player only I understand.
Andi.
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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rrLvg.70617$fG3.53350@dukeread09... > | Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? > | > | -Larry > | > | <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | news:[email hidden]... > | > http://www.gamespot.com/promos/2006/gtr2-demo/ > | > > | > | > > I'm sure Starforce is used. > > Will there be multiplayer in the demo? > > > Alanb > >Because I will not bother if it does. My money, my decision.
-Larry
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> Why? Who cares... > > Marni > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rrLvg.70617$fG3.53350@dukeread09... >> Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? >> >> -Larry >> >> <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> http://www.gamespot.com/promos/2006/gtr2-demo/ >>> >> >> >Because I will not bother if it does. My money, my decision.
-Larry
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> Why? Who cares... > Marni >> Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? >> -Larry >>> http://www.gamespot.com/promos/2006/gtr2-demo/
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Some people claim that starforce has hosed their system. Others, riding on
the waves of dissention only, refuse to use Starforce. These people say it
is an invasion of one's privacy. Personally, I think it's a bunch of bunk.
Some group started this backlash against Starforce and now everyone has to
jump in and take a ride.
Starforce has never hosed my system, and I can think of a lot of more
serious invasions of privacy than some silly copy protection scheme.
When the GTR2 Demo comes out tomorrow, please leave me enough bandwidth so
that I can get the thing. :)
Alanb
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| Agreed, who does care? | | Marni wrote: | > Why? Who cares... | > | > Marni | > >On a properly built and configured PC you wouldn't even notice starforce.
Larry wrote:
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> Because I will not bother if it does. My money, my decision. > > -Larry > > "Marni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:44bfa8d7$0$917$[email hidden]... > >>Why? Who cares... >> >>Marni >> >>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:rrLvg.70617$fG3.53350@dukeread09... >> >>>Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? >>> >>>-Larry >>> >>><[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>news:[email hidden]... >>> >>>>http://www.gamespot.com/promos/2006/gtr2-demo/ >>>> >>> >>> > >On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:21:27 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ?
Well, not really official, but looks like Starforce is out!
http://autosimsport.teamssm.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1860
I can't say I'll miss it. :)
Starforce installs completely un-necessary drivers at Ring-0 of the
operating system.
That alone is enough for me to pass.
And I don't care who you are, THIS is downright scary...
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13212
-Larry
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> > "Trev B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qFOvg.11800$u%[email hidden]... > | Agreed, who does care? > | > | Marni wrote: > | > Why? Who cares... > | > > | > Marni > | > >> > > Some people claim that starforce has hosed their system. Others, riding > on > the waves of dissention only, refuse to use Starforce. These people say > it > is an invasion of one's privacy. Personally, I think it's a bunch of > bunk. > Some group started this backlash against Starforce and now everyone has to > jump in and take a ride. > > Starforce has never hosed my system, and I can think of a lot of more > serious invasions of privacy than some silly copy protection scheme. > > When the GTR2 Demo comes out tomorrow, please leave me enough bandwidth so > that I can get the thing. :) > > Alanb > >
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I say, that is scary. Almost like being in Beruit these days, with bombs
threatening your very existence.
Still, I don't always do what is right when it comes to software and haven't
had any out-of-the-blue system reboots. I think a lot of this is simply
nonsense, like how Norton wants everyone to think that viruses are as common
as Pepsi Cola.
Alanb
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| Starforce installs completely un-necessary drivers at Ring-0 of the | operating system. | | That alone is enough for me to pass. | | And I don't care who you are, THIS is downright scary... | | http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13212 |Trev B wrote:
> Agreed, who does care?
Lots of people care. I, for one, won't buy it if it has Starforce. GTR
now collects dust since I found out the truth about Starforce.
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And I suppose you think everyone who has shown that Starfore fucked
their computer in some way is just making up stories? You're the one
full of shit, sonny.
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> Some people claim that starforce has hosed their system. Others, riding on > the waves of dissention only, refuse to use Starforce. These people say it > is an invasion of one's privacy. Personally, I think it's a bunch of bunk. > Some group started this backlash against Starforce and now everyone has to > jump in and take a ride. > > Starforce has never hosed my system, and I can think of a lot of more > serious invasions of privacy than some silly copy protection scheme. > > When the GTR2 Demo comes out tomorrow, please leave me enough bandwidth so > that I can get the thing. :) > > Alanb > >Trev B wrote:
> On a properly built and configured PC you wouldn't even notice starforce.
Yea sure, I'm sure you wouldn't even notice if your DVD-RW drive was
dropped down to PIO mode.
vigi wrote:
Could you post what is says as I am getting this error.
"Sorry, an error occurred. If you are unsure on how to use a feature, or
don't know why you got this error message, try looking through the help
files for more information.
The error returned was:
You do not have permission to view this topic"
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> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:21:27 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? > > Well, not really official, but looks like Starforce is out! > > http://autosimsport.teamssm.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1860 > > I can't say I'll miss it. :)That would be Starforce screwing with your security settings, no doubt.
Garrot wrote:
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> vigi wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:21:27 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >> Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? > > > > Well, not really official, but looks like Starforce is out! > > > > http://autosimsport.teamssm.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1860 > > > > I can't say I'll miss it. :) > > Could you post what is says as I am getting this error. > > "Sorry, an error occurred. If you are unsure on how to use a feature, or > don't know why you got this error message, try looking through the help > files for more information. > The error returned was: > > You do not have permission to view this topic"Garrot wrote:
From Blackhole Motorsports:
From AutoSimSport Wires: "Informed sources have revealed to
AutoSimSport that Starforce has been dropped from GTR2 - both the demo
version available today and the final release version scheduled
September 30th. Sources reveal that 10Tacle have, instead, opted for
securrom, which our source reveals as a "Sony solution".
Whether anti Starforce or not, I think it good news that the sim racing
community shouldn't be further fragmented by security software.
Cheers
Tony
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> vigi wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:21:27 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>> Any official word on whether Starforce is incorporated ? >> >> Well, not really official, but looks like Starforce is out! >> >> http://autosimsport.teamssm.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1860 >> >> I can't say I'll miss it. :) > > Could you post what is says as I am getting this error.On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:20:49 GMT, Garrot <[email hidden]> wrote:
Informed sources have revealed to AutoSimSport that Starforce has been
dropped from GTR2 - both the demo version available today and the
final release version scheduled September 30th. Sources reveal that
10Tacle have, instead, opted for securrom, which our source reveals as
a "Sony solution".
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>Could you post what is says as I am getting this error. > >"Sorry, an error occurred. If you are unsure on how to use a feature, or >don't know why you got this error message, try looking through the help >files for more information. >The error returned was: > >You do not have permission to view this topic"Garrot wrote:
Does wittle wou believe everyfing wou weads on the big scary interweby?
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> Trev B wrote: > >> Agreed, who does care? > > > Lots of people care. I, for one, won't buy it if it has Starforce. GTR > now collects dust since I found out the truth about Starforce.> From AutoSimSport Wires: "Informed sources have revealed to
> AutoSimSport that Starforce has been dropped from GTR2 - both the demo
> version available today and the final release version scheduled
> September 30th. Sources reveal that 10Tacle have, instead, opted for
> securrom, which our source reveals as a "Sony solution".
Oh Sony ... the folks that installed a root kit without telling anyone
on playing a music CD ... now I feel a lot better ...
Interesting reading on the Sony rootkit topic
http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html
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| Alan Bernardo wrote:
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| > Some people claim that starforce has hosed their system. Others, riding on
| > the waves of dissention only, refuse to use Starforce. These people say it
| > is an invasion of one's privacy. Personally, I think it's a bunch of bunk.
| > Some group started this backlash against Starforce and now everyone has to
| > jump in and take a ride.
| >
| > Starforce has never hosed my system, and I can think of a lot of more
| > serious invasions of privacy than some silly copy protection scheme.
| >
| > When the GTR2 Demo comes out tomorrow, please leave me enough bandwidth so
It may have done so, and so do a lot of other things. I'd be willing to
wager that it's more of a problem with individual computer configurations
than it is with Starforce. But the problem has been over-blown, and most
have just jumped on, for whatever reason.
How many in a hundred do you think had a problem with Starforce? You'd
probably have to go to a thousand before you'd start registering numbers.
When people think their privacy is being compromised, it doesn't take long
before thousands feel the same way, without those thousands even looking
into what might be happening. Take my word for it, those who want to
compromise the privacy of others do so in much more nefarious ways.
Alanb
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| > that I can get the thing. :) | > | > Alanb | > | > | | And I suppose you think everyone who has shown that Starfore fucked | their computer in some way is just making up stories? You're the one | full of shit, sonny.If a person is so paranoid as to avoid a game because of starforce then that
person should NEVER connect to the INTERNET EVER!
Securerom7 sucks worse than SF ever did. Like Ive said over and over to all
the starforce activists. Thanks dumfucks!
Mitch
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> > "Garrot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BxRvg.217062$IK3.116337@pd7tw1no... > | Alan Bernardo wrote: > | > | > Some people claim that starforce has hosed their system. Others, > riding > on > | > the waves of dissention only, refuse to use Starforce. These people > say > it > | > is an invasion of one's privacy. Personally, I think it's a bunch of > bunk. > | > Some group started this backlash against Starforce and now everyone > has > to > | > jump in and take a ride. > | > > | > Starforce has never hosed my system, and I can think of a lot of more > | > serious invasions of privacy than some silly copy protection scheme. > | > > | > When the GTR2 Demo comes out tomorrow, please leave me enough > bandwidth > so > | > that I can get the thing. :) > | > > | > Alanb > | > > | > > | > | And I suppose you think everyone who has shown that Starfore fucked > | their computer in some way is just making up stories? You're the one > | full of shit, sonny. > > It may have done so, and so do a lot of other things. I'd be willing to > wager that it's more of a problem with individual computer configurations > than it is with Starforce. But the problem has been over-blown, and most > have just jumped on, for whatever reason. > > How many in a hundred do you think had a problem with Starforce? You'd > probably have to go to a thousand before you'd start registering numbers. > When people think their privacy is being compromised, it doesn't take long > before thousands feel the same way, without those thousands even looking > into what might be happening. Take my word for it, those who want to > compromise the privacy of others do so in much more nefarious ways. > > Alanb > > >
Mitch_A wrote:
Get lost Mitch!
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> If a person is so paranoid as to avoid a game because of starforce then that > person should NEVER connect to the INTERNET EVER! > > Securerom7 sucks worse than SF ever did. Like Ive said over and over to all > the starforce activists. Thanks dumfucks! > > MitchSpeak of a dumfuck and viola, one appears.. And, uh, NO...
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> Get lost Mitch!
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Speak of a dum*** and viola, one appears.. And, uh, NO...
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> Get lost Mitch!
Mitch_A wrote:
> Speak of a dumfuck and viola, one appears.. And, uh, NO...
Well they are tricky instruments to master, no frets you see...
:)
Trev B wrote:
> Does wittle wou believe everyfing wou weads on the big scary interweby?
I don't need to read anything to know you are a Starforce nutjob shill.
Bob Simpson wrote:
> That would be Starforce screwing with your security settings, no doubt.
Wow, this group is full of Starfoce pussies.
Mitch_A wrote:
Many Starforce games have never been cracked to work without a cdrom,
GTR being one of them. If I can't get a crack for a game to run without
a cdrom then I don't wan't it. That should be a good enough reason for
any of you Starforce pussies.
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> If a person is so paranoid as to avoid a game because of starforce then that > person should NEVER connect to the INTERNET EVER! > > Securerom7 sucks worse than SF ever did. Like Ive said over and over to all > the starforce activists. Thanks dumfucks! > > MitchGarrot wrote:
I was able to get GTR to run without the cd by using Starfuck. Willie
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> Mitch_A wrote: >> If a person is so paranoid as to avoid a game because of starforce >> then that person should NEVER connect to the INTERNET EVER! >> >> Securerom7 sucks worse than SF ever did. Like Ive said over and over >> to all the starforce activists. Thanks dumfucks! >> >> Mitch > > Many Starforce games have never been cracked to work without a cdrom, > GTR being one of them. If I can't get a crack for a game to run without > a cdrom then I don't wan't it. That should be a good enough reason for > any of you Starforce pussies.Will_H#24 wrote:
> I was able to get GTR to run without the cd by using Starfuck. Willie
Thx, I'll look into it but it looks like I won't need GTR once GTR2 is
out anyway.


































