F1 vs CART. Montreal should sue F1 TV

The F1 TV footage we get in the states...I know NOT the digital channels...but what F1 provided really hid how gorgeous the Montreal area is. For all I knew the Circuit JV was merely a concrete lined parking lot. The Cart broadcast, done by Canadien TV I think, had plenty of airborne views that showed the island in a really good light. And the Champcars just seemed bigger and brighter than the usual F1 views...I'm starting to feel cheated... :0 dave henrie

Dave, The CART cars are quite a bit bigger, dimensionally, as well as considerably heavier (some 400 lbs.), but the main visual differences are that CART drivers don't sit with their feet hiked up in the air (within F1's predatory-looking beaks) and the CART cars are shod with tires that look like pukka racing tires (low sidewalls, no treads). I was shocked, shocked at the speed differentials, too - in the GPL era, Champ cars and F1s could lap at abt. the same speeds, but now the F1s are hugely faster (6 sec./lap at Montreal). Drivers who have driven both types say the biggest perceived difference is the F1 cars' carbon fiber brakes (vs. CART's low-tech, low-cost cast iron). As the cockpit views show, the CART cars are a lot nastier to drive - the drivers are really fighting the wheel all the way around the circuit. I haven't seen a comparison of the crowds, tho. Looked like a nice turnout. At least the Canadiens had somebody to cheer for. The only decent Yank performance was from a former beach bum. Speaking of former, maybe CART should change its name to Formerly American Racing Teams? --Steve "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0lha9.177201$983.288303@rwcrnsc53... > The F1 TV footage we get in the states...I know NOT the digital > channels...but what F1 provided really hid how gorgeous the Montreal area > is. For all I knew the Circuit JV was merely a concrete lined parkinglot. > The Cart broadcast, done by Canadien TV I think, had plenty ofairborne > views that showed the island in a really good light. And the Champcarsjust > seemed bigger and brighter than the usual F1 views...I'm starting to feel > cheated... :0 > dave henrie > > >

Steve, I was surprised to see one of the CART cars that went into the kitty litter(can't remember which one), at Road America, have heavily treaded rear tires. Almost looked like rain tires. Any idea what that was about ? It was after the race, they were washing it down. John "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3toa9.131712$[email hidden]... > Dave, > > The CART cars are quite a bit bigger, dimensionally, as well asconsiderably > heavier (some 400 lbs.), but the main visual differences are that CART > drivers don't sit with their feet hiked up in the air (within F1's > predatory-looking beaks) and the CART cars are shod with tires that look > like pukka racing tires (low sidewalls, no treads). I was shocked,shocked > at the speed differentials, too - in the GPL era, Champ cars and F1s could > lap at abt. the same speeds, but now the F1s are hugely faster (6 sec./lap > at Montreal). Drivers who have driven both types say the biggestperceived > difference is the F1 cars' carbon fiber brakes (vs. CART's low-tech, > low-cost cast iron). As the cockpit views show, the CART cars are a lot > nastier to drive - the drivers are really fighting the wheel all the way > around the circuit. > > I haven't seen a comparison of the crowds, tho. Looked like a niceturnout.

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> At least the Canadiens had somebody to cheer for. The only decent Yank > performance was from a former beach bum. Speaking of former, maybe CART > should change its name to Formerly American Racing Teams? > > --Steve > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0lha9.177201$983.288303@rwcrnsc53... > > The F1 TV footage we get in the states...I know NOT the digital > > channels...but what F1 provided really hid how gorgeous the Montreal

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> > is. For all I knew the Circuit JV was merely a concrete lined parking > lot. > > The Cart broadcast, done by Canadien TV I think, had plenty of > airborne > > views that showed the island in a really good light. And the Champcars > just > > seemed bigger and brighter than the usual F1 views...I'm starting to

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> > cheated... :0 > > dave henrie > > > > > > > >

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Steve, I was surprised to see one of the CART cars that went into the > kitty litter(can't remember which one), at Road America, have heavily > treaded rear tires. Almost looked like rain tires. Any idea what thatwas > about ? > It was after the race, they were washing it down. > > John Those aren't the racing tires. Every team has a set of 'travel tires' the moment the racing is done they pull off the slicks. I suppose it could be a housekeeping issue. The trailers would be full of gravel and dirt and such from being drug in with the still warm sticky racing tires. If you notice when Shinji Nakanno climbed out of his dead car in the pits...the team was NOT putting tires on. They left the racing tires off so they could grab the traveling tires.(probably saved the team a couple of thousand dollars too. dave henrie

Montreal really is beautiful. I was there a couple of weeks ago for a week's vacation. It is the only big city I know of that has a beautiful montain next to the downtown area. I walked from the centre of the city, full of skyscrapers, and 10 minutes later was wandering along a beautiful mountain trail on Mont Royal, with not a sign of civilisation in sight. Everyone is really friendly, and the atmosphere is laid back, with many street markets, and street festivals. The locals are even happy to speak to English to you, which makes a pleasant change from France where I get so many bad looks as soon as I'm identified as an Anglophile. Oh yeah - the bagels in Montreal are simple the best in the world - they leave NYC for dead. If nothing else, you MUST try a Montreal bagel. I bought a duffel bug just for bagels and brough 60 of them back to London to freeze. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0lha9.177201$983.288303@rwcrnsc53... > The F1 TV footage we get in the states...I know NOT the digital > channels...but what F1 provided really hid how gorgeous the Montreal area > is. For all I knew the Circuit JV was merely a concrete lined parkinglot. > The Cart broadcast, done by Canadien TV I think, had plenty ofairborne > views that showed the island in a really good light. And the Champcarsjust > seemed bigger and brighter than the usual F1 views...I'm starting to feel > cheated... :0 > dave henrie > > >

On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:01:12 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Those aren't the racing tires. Every team has a set of 'travel tires' >the moment the racing is done they pull off the slicks. I suppose it could >be a housekeeping issue. The trailers would be full of gravel and dirt and >such from being drug in with the still warm sticky racing tires. The last time I was inside an F1 pit, quite a few years ago now, the "travel tires" were thin aluminum disks. Lighweight, just big enough so the car doesn't drag on the ground. The cars looked like they were prepped for a run at the Bonneville Salt Flats. Keith. --- 100 Proof News - http://www.100ProofNews.com --- 3,500+ Binary NewsGroups, and over 90,000 other groups --- Access to over 400 Gigs/Day - $8.95/Month --- UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD

>"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote > The F1 TV footage we get in the states...I know NOT the digital > channels...but what F1 provided really hid how gorgeous the Montreal area > is. Yes yes, it's our hidden secret ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote > Montreal really is beautiful. I was there a couple of weeks ago for aweek's > vacation. Americans can do no wrong going to Montr�al. It's up to the standard of *any* other North American city (and sometimes more, in terms of clubs and bars and even XXX clubs), the drinking age is just a suggestion, the woman are higher-then-average in standards, and most primordial of all, the low exchange rate makes it so that you people can live like kings when visiting our city. > Everyone is really friendly, and the atmosphere is laid back, with many > street markets, and street festivals. The locals are even happy to speakto > English to you, which makes a pleasant change from France where I get so > many bad looks as soon as I'm identified as an Anglophile. There's a 2000 miles of difference between French from France and French from Qu�bec you know ;-D > Oh yeah - the bagels in Montreal are simple the best in the world - they > leave NYC for dead. If nothing else, you MUST try a Montreal bagel. Ibought > a duffel bug just for bagels and brough 60 of them back to London tofreeze. Yeah we're known for that. Oh, and smoked meat sandwiches. And poutine. <self-appreciation> -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- MTFBWY

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Steve, I was surprised to see one of the CART cars that went into the > > kitty litter(can't remember which one), at Road America, have heavily > > treaded rear tires. Almost looked like rain tires. Any idea what that > was > > about ? > > It was after the race, they were washing it down. > > > > John > Those aren't the racing tires. Every team has a set of 'travel tires' > the moment the racing is done they pull off the slicks. I suppose it

could > be a housekeeping issue. The trailers would be full of gravel and dirtand > such from being drug in with the still warm sticky racing tires. > If you notice when Shinji Nakanno climbed out of his dead car in the > pits...the team was NOT putting tires on. They left the racing tires offso > they could grab the traveling tires.(probably saved the team a couple of > thousand dollars too. > dave henrie > Ah, ok, thanks Dave. Learn something new everyday. John >

> The Cart broadcast, done by Canadien TV I think, had plenty ofairborne > views that showed the island in a really good light. And the Champcarsjust > seemed bigger and brighter than the usual F1 views...I'm starting to feel > cheated... :0 I hate to say it, but they had to show something, there wasn't much racing to show, thats forsure.

> >I haven't seen a comparison of the crowds, tho. Looked like a nice turnout. >At least the Canadiens had somebody to cheer for. The only decent Yank >performance was from a former beach bum. Speaking of former, maybe CART >should change its name to Formerly American Racing Teams? > Looked like a completely full house. They didn't have the grandstands at turns 6-7 erected, but they only hold a small number of people (I was in them for last years race). They said they had 100,000 for Friday-Saturday qualifying. So, I think they probably consider it a success. It's a beautiful circuit, and a beautiful city. And, SpeedChannel's coverage did quite a bit better job than Bernie's World Feed.