LFS physics

Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the throttle? Jason ----- GPLRank 24.50 N2002Rank -12.995

But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's no reason too. But I guess I will. Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. only when you come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in the physics, or would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I've never tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car.. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the > throttle? > > Jason > > ----- > GPLRank 24.50 > N2002Rank -12.995

Nope, clutch doesn't engage, nor should it. On a fwd car adding some brake while keeping the power on allows you to kick the tail out in a very controllable manner. "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mGza9.16999$[email hidden]... > But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's noreason > too. But I guess I will. > > Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. onlywhen you > come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in the physics,or > would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I'venever

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> tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car.. > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > > "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an > > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the > > throttle? > > > > Jason > > > > ----- > > GPLRank 24.50 > > N2002Rank -12.995 > >

What about on a rear wheel drive car? My only experience with doing this is with a sim like N2002, GPL, or F12k2 where attempting to drive without lifting would have me taking most of the turns backwards. I'm not trying to insult the physics model, I just find it curious that you can trailbrake right up to the apex and keep the throttle all the way down. Also, if you look at the indicators in the bottom right hand corner, the clutch does engage when you shift (IIRC it's the middle line). Jason On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:33:37 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Nope, clutch doesn't engage, nor should it. On a fwd car adding some >brake while keeping the power on allows you to kick the tail out in a >very controllable manner. > > >"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:mGza9.16999$[email hidden]... >> But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's no >reason >> too. But I guess I will. >> >> Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. only >when you >> come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in the physics, >or >> would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I've >never >> tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car.. >> >> Mike >> http://mikebeauchamp.com >> >> >> "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an >> > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the >> > throttle? >> > >> > Jason >> > >> > ----- >> > GPLRank 24.50 >> > N2002Rank -12.995 >> >> >

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"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Also, if you look at the indicators in the bottom right hand corner, > the clutch does engage when you shift (IIRC it's the middle line). > > Jason You can turn that off. If you go into the cfg file and scroll to the bottom you can change gear blip and gear cut to 0. Then it will be like GPL ie. lift and shift and you can also blip your downshifts.

Hmmm... Just tried it here with the turbo and went straight off in every turn when I kept the throttle down and tried to drive using just the brake for cornering. Something's amiss if you can get round like that. BTW, I have the gear cut and blip set to zero if that matters, and am using an old LWF with split axis. SB "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> What about on a rear wheel drive car? > > My only experience with doing this is with a sim like N2002, GPL, or > F12k2 where attempting to drive without lifting would have me taking > most of the turns backwards. > > I'm not trying to insult the physics model, I just find it curious > that you can trailbrake right up to the apex and keep the throttle all > the way down. > > Also, if you look at the indicators in the bottom right hand corner, > the clutch does engage when you shift (IIRC it's the middle line). > > Jason > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:33:37 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Nope, clutch doesn't engage, nor should it. On a fwd car adding some > >brake while keeping the power on allows you to kick the tail out in a > >very controllable manner. > > > > > >"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:mGza9.16999$[email hidden]... > >> But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's no > >reason > >> too. But I guess I will. > >> > >> Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. only > >when you > >> come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in the physics, > >or > >> would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I've > >never > >> tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car.. > >> > >> Mike > >> http://mikebeauchamp.com > >> > >> > >> "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:[email hidden]... > >> > Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an > >> > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the > >> > throttle? > >> > > >> > Jason > >> > > >> > ----- > >> > GPLRank 24.50 > >> > N2002Rank -12.995 > >> > >> > > > > > ----- > GPLRank 24.50 > N2002Rank -12.995

Rear drive cars definitely respond a bit differently to combined pedal inputs than fwd cars. And I agree that you probably shouldn't be able to keep the throttle all the way down. But basically the way this same handles simultaneous modulation of brake and throttle at the limit seems directionally correct for a fwd car. As for the question about the clutch, Mike asked about clutch being engaged while braking, not while shifting, so I'll stand by my answer on that one. ;o) "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> What about on a rear wheel drive car? > > My only experience with doing this is with a sim like N2002, GPL, or > F12k2 where attempting to drive without lifting would have me taking > most of the turns backwards. > > I'm not trying to insult the physics model, I just find it curious > that you can trailbrake right up to the apex and keep the throttle all > the way down. > > Also, if you look at the indicators in the bottom right hand corner, > the clutch does engage when you shift (IIRC it's the middle line). > > Jason > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:33:37 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Nope, clutch doesn't engage, nor should it. On a fwd car adding some > >brake while keeping the power on allows you to kick the tail out in a > >very controllable manner. > > > > > >"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:mGza9.16999$[email hidden]... > >> But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's

no > >reason > >> too. But I guess I will. > >> > >> Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. only > >when you > >> come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in thephysics,

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> >or > >> would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I've > >never > >> tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car.. > >> > >> Mike > >> http://mikebeauchamp.com > >> > >> > >> "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:[email hidden]... > >> > Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an > >> > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the > >> > throttle? > >> > > >> > Jason > >> > > >> > ----- > >> > GPLRank 24.50 > >> > N2002Rank -12.995 > >> > >> > > > > > ----- > GPLRank 24.50 > N2002Rank -12.995

Err not sure how you have done that, i know its far too impossible to do in the turbo, but in the other two, you couldnt brake anywhere near your normal braking point or the front wheels just lock up and you run straight off the track.. unless you have a setup for demon braking ;) Cool Hand Luke "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> What about on a rear wheel drive car? > > My only experience with doing this is with a sim like N2002, GPL, or > F12k2 where attempting to drive without lifting would have me taking > most of the turns backwards. > > I'm not trying to insult the physics model, I just find it curious > that you can trailbrake right up to the apex and keep the throttle all > the way down. > > Also, if you look at the indicators in the bottom right hand corner, > the clutch does engage when you shift (IIRC it's the middle line). > > Jason > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:33:37 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Nope, clutch doesn't engage, nor should it. On a fwd car adding some > >brake while keeping the power on allows you to kick the tail out in a > >very controllable manner. > > > > > >"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:mGza9.16999$[email hidden]... > >> But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's no > >reason > >> too. But I guess I will. > >> > >> Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. only > >when you > >> come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in the physics, > >or > >> would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I've > >never > >> tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car.. > >> > >> Mike > >> http://mikebeauchamp.com > >> > >> > >> "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:[email hidden]... > >> > Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an > >> > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the > >> > throttle? > >> > > >> > Jason > >> > > >> > ----- > >> > GPLRank 24.50 > >> > N2002Rank -12.995 > >> > >> > > > > > ----- > GPLRank 24.50 > N2002Rank -12.995

no! :) i crash into the wall at 100mph head on at t1 jason moyer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the > throttle? > > Jason > > ----- > GPLRank 24.50 > N2002Rank -12.995