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Fri, 07 Jan 2022 09:54:51 --+AD4APA-h1 class+AD0AIg-linkback+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIg-https://rec-autos-simulators.net/+ACIAPg-rec.autos.simulators+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h1+AD4- +ADw-h2 class+AD0AIg-topic-title+ACIAPg-CPR: my final opinion+ADw-/h2+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-action-bar top+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-pagination+ACIAPg- +ADw-ul+AD4- +ADw-li class+AD0AIg-pageleft+ACIAPg-Page:+ADw-/li+AD4APA-li+AD4APA-a href+AD0AIg-8+AF8-fbe8805d64a46343+AF8-1.html+ACI- role+AD0AIg-button+ACIAPg-1+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/li+AD4- +ADw-li+AD4APA-a href+AD0AIg-8+AF8-fbe8805d64a46343+AF8-2.html+ACI- role+AD0AIg-button+ACIAPg-2+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/li+AD4- +ADw-/ul+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p16+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile16+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-John+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content16+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p16+ACIAPg-CPR: my final opinion+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-John+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-The problem with all this bad/good review stuff is that these reviews are +ADw-br+AD4- people's opinions. I have collected a +ACI-TON+ACI- of feedback on CART Precision +ADw-br+AD4- Racing on The APEX site http://www.racesimcentral.net/ +ADw-br+AD4- What I have found out is that people are pretty polarized on the game. +ADw-br+AD4- People either love the game and think its the best in the world (better than +ADw-br+AD4- ICR2, GP2, F1RS, etc..) while there are others that just hate the game and +ADw-br+AD4- don't want anything to do with it. What you have to realize is that many of +ADw-br+AD4- these magazine reviewers are not hard-core race sim fans that you usually +ADw-br+AD4- see on this news group. Maybe for them the game truly is great. I have had +ADw-br+AD4- some people tell me they get awesome frame rate on low powered machines +ADw-br+AD4- while others have gotten terrible framerates on high powered machines. Some +ADw-br+AD4- people say the game drives great others say not so good. Basically what I'm +ADw-br+AD4- saying is that maybe CART PR works great for people with the right machines +ADw-br+AD4- whatever they be. The vast difference in opinions has perplexed me but I +ADw-br+AD4- can't deny the 100's of emails I have in my inbox that testify to it. So +ADw-br+AD4- your probably asking what am I trying to say by all this? What I'm trying to +ADw-br+AD4- say is that people's opinions and experiences with CART PR vary drastically. +ADw-br+AD4- If you are sitting on the fence considering if to buy CART PR or not I would +ADw-br+AD4- read as many reviews as possible and read as many news posts as you can. +ADw-br+AD4- Next I would go to The APEX http://www.racesimcentral.net/ and read the FAQ and +ADw-br+AD4- all the information on the game there. Lastly I would go and download the +ADw-br+AD4- demo (the demo does not reflect the latest build though). After playing the +ADw-br+AD4- demo if you are satisfied with the game go buy it. Once you have the game +ADw-br+AD4- download the latest patch of the MS site or The APEX and play all the +ADw-br+AD4- tracks. If you still like it keep it and have fun+ACE- If you hate it take it +ADw-br+AD4- bake to the store or send it back to MS and get your money back. CART +ADw-br+AD4- Precision Racing has a 30 day money back guarantee from Microsoft. Only +ADw-br+AD4- after playing the game yourself will you be able to decide if the game is +ADw-br+AD4- enjoyable for you or not. If you do not do all of the above you are hurting +ADw-br+AD4- yourself and not making an informed buying decision. When making any +ADw-br+AD4- decision you should look at all avenues and collect as much information as +ADw-br+AD4- possible whether it be good or bad. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Thanks +ADw-br+AD4- John +ADw-br+AD4- The APEX http://www.racesimcentral.net/ +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- +ADw-19980117202500.PAA11167+AEA-ladder01.news.aol.com+AD4-... +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4APg- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I remember Alison's views being altered after pressure from one eyed +ADw-br+AD4- CPR +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-fanatics. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Puhlease. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I just love the way you only admire her when she agrees with +ADw-br+AD4- you. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Otherwise, you just state that she's caving under pressure. Give the woman +ADw-br+AD4- some +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-credit. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-For my money, she was right each time she wrote the review. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-In +ADw-br+AD4- every +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-single case, she wrote honest impressions. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I respect her first, second, +ADw-br+AD4- and +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-third reviews, and I will respect her fourth should she have anything else +ADw-br+AD4- to +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-add, because I think she's honestly conveying her experiences. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I don't +ADw-br+AD4- have to +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-agree with her decision to respect her ability to have independent thought. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Unlike some people here, I don't base my opinions on a person's credibility +ADw-br+AD4- on +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-whether or not I agree with what they write. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4APgA+- She is now back to the COMPLETE truth. +AD4APg- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Please. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4APgA+- Who want's to see so called +ACI-fair+ACI- reviews? I want to know what people +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-think, not what they see a diplomatic or some total bullshit like that. +AD4APg- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-No. You want to see her trash the game. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-You aren't interested in the +ADw-br+AD4- truth. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-The only truth you care about is whether or not she flames the game or not. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4APgA+- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Here's my review of CPR - if your in the states and can use it with +ADw-br+AD4- many +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-others on the Zone - B, otherwise it's a big Z-. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Good for you. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Randy +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Randy Magruder +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Staff Writer +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Digital Sportspage +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-http://www.racesimcentral.net/+ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p17+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile17+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Rick LaBanc+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content17+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p17+ACIAPg-CPR: my final opinion+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Rick LaBanc+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-Bug's aren't opinion though... I hope they just fix the bugs. For example: +ADw-br+AD4- - online starts are out of sync always, they should do a countdown +ADw-br+AD4- - autopilot mode grabbed me from +AF8-outside+AF8- the pits and nailed me to the +ADw-br+AD4- wall (wish i could shut off auto+ACE-) +ADw-br+AD4- - online games can get out of sync easily +ADw-br+AD4- - if player quits in online game cars just sit there ramming walls +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-And there are just some things that aren't bugs but silly, like for onling +ADw-br+AD4- racing, it says car numbers etc, but car numbers aren't displayed on the pit +ADw-br+AD4- board, and after you hit reverse button if in auto shift, letting go puts +ADw-br+AD4- you in neutral. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-It actually is fun to drive once it runs... and I sure miss having a good +ADw-br+AD4- framerate+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Rick +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p18+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile18+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-John Walla+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content18+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p18+ACIAPg-CPR: my final opinion+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-John Walla+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-The problem with all this bad/good review stuff is that these reviews are +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-people's opinions. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-What I have found out is that people are pretty polarized on the game. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-People either love the game and think its the best in the world (better than +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-ICR2, GP2, F1RS, etc..) while there are others that just hate the game and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-don't want anything to do with it. What you have to realize is that many of +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-these magazine reviewers are not hard-core race sim fans that you usually +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-see on this news group. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-If you want an opinion on your car you don't go to a hospital - nor +ADw-br+AD4- would you leave your wedding tackle in the secure hands of your local +ADw-br+AD4- grease monkey. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-If CPR is supposed to be a sim, is being lauded by arcade-fan magazine +ADw-br+AD4- reviewers and slammed by sim-racers, doesn't that alone speak volumes? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-That's not a comment on whether or not the game is good, every +ADw-br+AD4- individual must decide that for themselves. We can however form a +ADw-br+AD4- collective opinion on whether it lives up to what it was supposed to +ADw-br+AD4- be and marketed to be, and that seems to be a resounding NO. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Cheers+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- John +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p19+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile19+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-John+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content19+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p19+ACIAPg-CPR: my final opinion+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-John+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4APA-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-The problem with all this bad/good review stuff is that these reviews are +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-people's opinions. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-What I have found out is that people are pretty polarized on the game. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-People either love the game and think its the best in the world (better +ADw-br+AD4- than +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-ICR2, GP2, F1RS, etc..) while there are others that just hate the game and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-don't want anything to do with it. What you have to realize is that many +ADw-br+AD4- of +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-these magazine reviewers are not hard-core race sim fans that you usually +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-see on this news group. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-If you want an opinion on your car you don't go to a hospital - nor +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-would you leave your wedding tackle in the secure hands of your local +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-grease monkey. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-If CPR is supposed to be a sim, is being lauded by arcade-fan magazine +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-reviewers and slammed by sim-racers, doesn't that alone speak volumes? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Um, no it doesn't speak volumes. +ADw-br+AD4- John that would be an excellent point if CPR had not been reviewed by any +ADw-br+AD4- sim racing sites. The only problem is that The Pits which is a fairly +ADw-br+AD4- respectable sim racing site gave CPR a V8 rating which is their highest +ADw-br+AD4- rating. There are also several sim racers who have said they love the game +ADw-br+AD4- on R.A.S. and I would be more than happy to forward all of the email that I +ADw-br+AD4- have received that says they love the game also. I do not deny that there +ADw-br+AD4- are many people that are unhappy with the game, but there are many people +ADw-br+AD4- that also love the game and their oppinions speak as much as yours and +ADw-br+AD4- others. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- I totally agree with you that everyone must judge for themselves by using +ADw-br+AD4- every resource available to them. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- The game was marketed towards not being an arcade racer and providing as +ADw-br+AD4- much realism as possible (I'm going more off my own assumptions than what is +ADw-br+AD4- neccessarily written on the box). For many people that have sent me email +ADw-br+AD4- CART PR has suceeded in that endeavor. For many others it has not. For a few +ADw-br+AD4- more it never will no matter how good it gets. I think CART PR has made huge +ADw-br+AD4- steps towards providing that realism and innovation i.e. race engineer, +ADw-br+AD4- sounds, garage settings, tracks, track editor etc. Now there are some flaws +ADw-br+AD4- in the game such as no full course yellows, some tweaks required for AI +ADw-br+AD4- speeds, and some tweaks required for the physics model. Do I think CART PR +ADw-br+AD4- has resoundingly lived up to my ultimate expectations? Probably not but I +ADw-br+AD4- think it has blazed trails where some sim companies have not even taken a +ADw-br+AD4- first step. I don't think there is a single sim that can achieve the +ADw-br+AD4- ultimate status and approval because people are diverse. A realistic sim may +ADw-br+AD4- mean one thing to you, and another to me. There will always be some people +ADw-br+AD4- that complain or are not satisfied becasue we live in a diverse world. +ADw-br+AD4- Fortunately for us we are not all +ACY-quot+ADs-cloned+ACY-quot+ADs- like Dolly :-) +ACY-nbsp+ADs-(had to throw in +ADw-br+AD4- the UK joke) otherwise we would all like the same thing and it would be a +ADw-br+AD4- boring world+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- Cheers+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- The other John +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p20+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile20+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Byron Forbe+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content20+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p20+ACIAPg-CPR: my final opinion+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Byron Forbe+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-lt+ADs-big snip+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- Ok Randy, this is what I hear about build 90. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Decreased traction - probably good except that I hear that it's a +ADw-br+AD4- joke when it comes to ovals. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Speed limits - excuse me but hehehehehehehehehehe. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Still bad AI, particularly on ovals. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- And now with this G.O.D. stuff it's under an even darker cloud. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- and etc, etc, etc. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- I have one simple question for you Randy- is CPR a total pig or +ADw-br+AD4- what? +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p21+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile21+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Byron Forbe+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content21+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p21+ACIAPg-CPR: my final opinion+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Byron Forbe+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Glad to see the COMPLETE truth is only complete when it agrees with you. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Garbage. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-This and confusion about who was responsible for Dean departing from +ADw-br+AD4- r.a.s. No two ways about it+ACE- The game was a pig and still is a pig and +ADw-br+AD4- if I read a review that's what I want to hear. Not something toned down +ADw-br+AD4- to keep CPR fanatics calm+ACE- Now you tell me Richard, is CPR a pig or not? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Rich +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-She is now back to the COMPLETE truth. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p22+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile22+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Randy Magrud+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content22+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p22+ACIAPg-CPR: my final opinion+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Randy Magrud+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-lt+ADs-big snip+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Ok Randy, this is what I hear about build 90. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Decreased traction - probably good except that I hear that it's a +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-joke when it comes to ovals. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Speed limits - excuse me but hehehehehehehehehehe. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Still bad AI, particularly on ovals. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-And now with this G.O.D. stuff it's under an even darker cloud. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-and etc, etc, etc. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I have one simple question for you Randy- is CPR a total pig or +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-what? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Sorry, but you're not going to get me to defend build 90. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I was a +ADw-br+AD4- tester of it, and I gave MS my opinions about it, and that's all the +ADw-br+AD4- power I had. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-As far as it being under a darker cloud? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I don't know +ADw-br+AD4- about that. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Consider how many people have been bashing TR for poor +ADw-br+AD4- programming since the game came out. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'm not going to register an +ADw-br+AD4- opinion either way on that one, but I WILL say that those who have +ADw-br+AD4- been slamming TR as bad coders should certainly be hopeful that this +ADw-br+AD4- means MS will find someone more qualified to continue coding the CPR +ADw-br+AD4- line. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It might mean stuff gets changed that otherwise wouldn't have? +ADw-br+AD4- As far as MS abandoning the product? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Could happen, but I don't think +ADw-br+AD4- it will. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'm sure there are a lot of small, hungry game development +ADw-br+AD4- shops +ACY-nbsp+ADs-who would love to have a piece of that pie. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If MS wants to +ADw-br+AD4- find someone else who can code an optimized sim, I'm sure they will. +ADw-br+AD4- I just hope they don't try to do it in-house at Redmond+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Randy +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Randy Magruder +ADw-br+AD4- Contributing Reviewer +ADw-br+AD4- Digital Sportspage +ADw-br+AD4- http://www.digitalsports.com +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p23+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile23+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Dave Cas+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content23+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p23+ACIAPg-CPR: my final opinion+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Dave Cas+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4- Well, all I know is that I was racing CART and that sunovabich Sullivan saw me +ADw-br+AD4- trying to pass on the outside with an 8 second lead with two laps to go and +ADw-br+AD4- he RAN ME INTO THE WALL+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-One of these days. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-And this was at Michigan where +ADw-br+AD4- there is PLENTY of room on the track for more than one car across. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Grrrrrrr. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Dave +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/4340 +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p24+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile24+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-John Walla+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content24+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p24+ACIAPg-CPR: my final opinion+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-John Walla+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Um, no it doesn't speak volumes. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-John that would be an excellent point if CPR had not been reviewed by any +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-sim racing sites. The only problem is that The Pits which is a fairly +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-respectable sim racing site gave CPR a V8 rating which is their highest +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-rating. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Yes, something which utterly astonished me. Not that CPR should be so +ADw-br+AD4- highly regarded, but that The Pits could get it so wrong. I'm sure +ADw-br+AD4- that no even CPR's most ardent fans would assert that it is without +ADw-br+AD4- significant flaws, and as soon as you concede that a game has +ADw-br+AD4- significant flaws then it follows that it cannot be given the ultimate +ADw-br+AD4- rating. What would happen if tomorrow MS/TRI released CPR2 with +ADw-br+AD4- perfect steering, AI, frame-rate etc? Would it get exactly the same +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-quot+ADs-ultimate rating+ACY-quot+ADs-? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- There's still people in the world who belong to the flat earth society +ADw-br+AD4- as well. If people cannot see the +AF8-glaring+AF8- flaws in CPR then who am I +ADw-br+AD4- to bleat on about them and try to spoil their fun? Their money is +ADw-br+AD4- already wasted (IMO), so why try to spoil their fun as well? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- Marketed toward +ACY-quot+ADs-not being an arcade racer+ACY-quot+ADs-?+ACE-?+ACE- +ACY-lt+ADs-chuckle+ACY-gt+ADs- How +ADw-br+AD4- carefully was +AF8-that+AF8- worded? Whatever the semantics employed it most +ADw-br+AD4- certainly doesn't accurately simulate the driving of a CART car, far +ADw-br+AD4- less +ACY-quot+ADs-push the limits of racing reality+ACY-quot+ADs-. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- I see very few entirely innovative aspects in CART, nothing which has +ADw-br+AD4- not been done before to some degree. MS/TRI have taken the best +ADw-br+AD4- ingredients of other products and pulled them together in CART, but +ADw-br+AD4- bitten off more than they can chew (again IMO). 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