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+ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p16+ACIAPg-SBLive vs. MX300 - Which SOUNDS better?+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-The MX300 is hardwired for A3D. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It has no programmable DSP (unlike the Live +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-card). +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If the MX300 does emulate EAX it will do so strictly in software. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-This would be a large performance hit when you are running today's demanding +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-games. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-The chances of a card that has to emulate an API in software sounding better +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-than one that natively supports it in hardware are +AF8-very+AF8- slim. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-I have read repeatedly that new drivers will allow the MX300 to decode +ADw-br+AD4- EAX in +ACY-quot+ADs-hardware+ACY-quot+ADs-. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-While I am not certain how that is done, I am +ADw-br+AD4- optimistic that it will be a viable solution. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-The MX300 is hardwired for A3D. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It has no programmable DSP (unlike the +ADw-br+AD4- Live +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-card). +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If the MX300 does emulate EAX it will do so strictly in software. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-This would be a large performance hit when you are running today's +ADw-br+AD4- demanding +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-games. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-The chances of a card that has to emulate an API in software sounding +ADw-br+AD4- better +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-than one that natively supports it in hardware are +AF8-very+AF8- slim. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-I'm not so certain that EAX on the MX300 will run +ACo-strictly+ACo- in software. +ADw-br+AD4- All EAX does is add a reverb effect to the sound (as far as I've explored in +ADw-br+AD4- the Software Development Kit so far) and since the Vortex 2 chip can (as far +ADw-br+AD4- as I know) do this in A3D 2 it should be using at least some hardware to +ADw-br+AD4- speed up the sound playback. As for sound, don't know yet cos it isn't +ADw-br+AD4- available as of yet. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-(nb. EAX 2.0 also sounds like it will be fairly similar to A3D 2 so maybe +ADw-br+AD4- the Vortex 2 chips can hardware accelerate that as well, but that will +ADw-br+AD4- probably depend on drivers) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Marco +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Bob +ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Fri, 05 Feb 1999 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4-
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Also - native support for the Live+ACE- seems to be rather misleading... see +ADw-br+AD4- those Live+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- logos on boxes? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Yeah - it's in DirectSound 3D and or DS3D EAX - both of +ADw-br+AD4- which can +ADw-br+AD4- be done on the Vortex 2.0 / MX300. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-In regards to performance hits, yes, the +ADw-br+AD4- MX300 does +ADw-br+AD4- take more CPU cycles... but on a 450 with 128 Megs of RAM, who's gonna +ADw-br+AD4- notice? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-It's not like a friggin difference of 30 FPS while playing HL - more like +ADw-br+AD4- 6 - 7.... So what's +ADw-br+AD4- the deal? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-My 2 Cents+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Bob +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p19+ACIAPg-SBLive vs. MX300 - Which SOUNDS better?+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4-
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+ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Terr+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Fri, 05 Feb 1999 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4-
+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-EAX WILL run in hardware on the MX300 or any other Vortex 2 card. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Its a +ADw-br+AD4- myth that it will only run in software. +ADw-br+AD4- -Terry +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-The MX300 is hardwired for A3D. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It has no programmable DSP (unlike the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Live +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-card). +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If the MX300 does emulate EAX it will do so strictly in software. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-This would be a large performance hit when you are running today's +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- demanding +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-games. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-The chances of a card that has to emulate an API in software sounding +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- better +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-than one that natively supports it in hardware are +AF8-very+AF8- slim. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- I'm not so certain that EAX on the MX300 will run +ACo-strictly+ACo- in software. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- All EAX does is add a reverb effect to the sound (as far as I've explored in +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- the Software Development Kit so far) and since the Vortex 2 chip can (as far +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- as I know) do this in A3D 2 it should be using at least some hardware to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- speed up the sound playback. As for sound, don't know yet cos it isn't +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- available as of yet. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- (nb. EAX 2.0 also sounds like it will be fairly similar to A3D 2 so maybe +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- the Vortex 2 chips can hardware accelerate that as well, but that will +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- probably depend on drivers) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Marco +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p20+ACIAPg-SBLive vs. MX300 - Which SOUNDS better?+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4-
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+ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-DP+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Fri, 05 Feb 1999 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4-
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+AD4-EAX WILL run in hardware on the MX300 or any other Vortex 2 card. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Its a +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-myth that it will only run in software. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4--Terry +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-That would be a nifty trick, considering that EAX runs in hardware only +ADw-br+AD4- through the EMU10K1 processor+ADs- which is used only in the Soundblaster Live +ADw-br+AD4- cards. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Can you supply a link from Diamond's website that says the MX300 can +ADw-br+AD4- run EAX through the Vortex2 chipset (not software emulation). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I didn't think so. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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