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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-I was just curious. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Does anyone know if Papyrus will be +ADw-br+AD4- doing a Formula-1 simulation? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I know that Microprose has +ADw-br+AD4- World-Circuit out, but IndyCar Racing was a big hit and +ADw-br+AD4- NASCAR seems destined to surpass that, it only seems logical +ADw-br+AD4- that they would move into F-1. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Any ideas or comments? +ADw-br+AD4- Also, does anyone know if Papyrus will release a revamped +ADw-br+AD4- version of IndyCar with all the fixes and new features in +ADw-br+AD4- NASCAR that are appicable? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Thanks alot+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Jeffrey K. Stier +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- : I was just curious. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Does anyone know if Papyrus will be +ADw-br+AD4- : doing a Formula-1 simulation? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I know that Microprose has +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-If Microprose is making good work with F1GP II is see no need for +ADw-br+AD4- Papyrus F1 in near future. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-F1GP was excellent when it came out, and I'm +ADw-br+AD4- hoping F1GP II will be equally good compared to today's +ACY-quot+ADs-standards+ACY-quot+ADs-. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-When the Microprose licence to make F1 games expires? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-: World-Circuit out, but IndyCar Racing was a big hit and +ADw-br+AD4- : NASCAR seems destined to surpass that, it only seems logical +ADw-br+AD4- : that they would move into F-1. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Any ideas or comments? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Personally I'd like to see truck racing simulation. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I don't know what +ADw-br+AD4- kind of truck series are in US if any, but the european series is fun +ADw-br+AD4- to watch. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Big cars, more than enough power, road courses and speed +ADw-br+AD4- limiters to 160 km/h (100 mph) make the races close. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Drag racing might interesting, but it should be quite complicated on setup +ADw-br+AD4- or it could become boring soon (weather and track sufrace effects varying +ADw-br+AD4- between tracks/starts, etc). +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Pasi. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-: I was just curious. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Does anyone know if Papyrus will be +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-: doing a Formula-1 simulation? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I know that Microprose has +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-If Microprose is making good work with F1GP II is see no need for +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Papyrus F1 in near future. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-F1GP was excellent when it came out, and I'm +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-hoping F1GP II will be equally good compared to today's +ACY-quot+ADs-standards+ACY-quot+ADs-. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-When the Microprose licence to make F1 games expires? +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-: World-Circuit out, but IndyCar Racing was a big hit and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-: NASCAR seems destined to surpass that, it only seems logical +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-: that they would move into F-1. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Any ideas or comments? +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Personally I'd like to see truck racing simulation. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I don't know what +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-kind of truck series are in US if any, but the european series is fun +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-to watch. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Big cars, more than enough power, road courses and speed +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-limiters to 160 km/h (100 mph) make the races close. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Drag racing might interesting, but it should be quite complicated on setup +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-or it could become boring soon (weather and track sufrace effects varying +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-between tracks/starts, etc). +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-How about a motorcycle racing simulator. Setup would probably be boring +ADw-br+AD4- since things like stagger, sway bar etc.. are have no meaning on bikes. +ADw-br+AD4- The thought of a Indycar/NASCAR type sim with a tilting horizon makes me +ADw-br+AD4AKgAqACo- my chops. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-As far as I know, nobody has ever attempted this. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-There +ADw-br+AD4- are some cycle games (i.e Accolade Cyclemania) but no real simulators. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-A good rally or offroad simulator would be fun. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Q-Rally just doesnt do +ADw-br+AD4- it for me at all (Good Concept, bad program). +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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Well, I've played a few and know of others. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-TT Racer on the Sinclair Spectrum was the first - and it was +ADw-br+AD4- surprisingly good considering the platform it was on. It did have some +ADw-br+AD4- setup stuff, mainly to do with playing with your gear ratios. The +ADw-br+AD4- tilted horizon worked well but it needed a better frame-rate. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-No Second Prize on the Amiga is not a very serious bike simulation, +ADw-br+AD4- but it is hell of a fun to play. +ACo-Very+ACo- smooth vector graphics and the +ADw-br+AD4- tilting horizon really adds to the feel. I keep moving my head +ADw-br+AD4- whenever I play it. :-) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I think Electronic Arts released a cycle-racing game soon after they +ADw-br+AD4- did Indy 500 (for the Amiga). The title +ACY-quot+ADs-Red Zone+ACY-quot+ADs- comes to mind but I +ADw-br+AD4- have no idea if this is even close to being the correct name. I never +ADw-br+AD4- got hold of it - most reviews said it was quite realistic and pretty +ADw-br+AD4- good - but very hard to learn. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Thomas Beagle +AHw- A beagle a day keeps the doctor at bay. +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Subject: Re: Papyrus next project?? +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Date: 2 Dec 1994 13:27:56 +130- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Papyrus cannot release any info on their next project at this time. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The +ADw-br+AD4- following info does come from reliable sources: +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-1. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-No plans to update IndyCar at this time. +ADw-br+AD4- 2. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-No plans to add Miami to the IndyCar track collection. +ADw-br+AD4- 3. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Information on the next project will be available when the next new +ADw-br+AD4- project press release comes out. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'd imagine 2Q-95. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-This certainly opens the discussion and speculation as to what could be next. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- How about a Baja or motocross sim? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If Microprose still has plans to do F1, I +ADw-br+AD4- don't think Papyrus should waste their time on that project. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'm sure MP's +ADw-br+AD4- sim will be terrific. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If their recent flight sims are any indication, a new +ADw-br+AD4- Formula Grand Prix/World Circuit may just blow us away. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I look for Papyrus to try something entirely different. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Heck, how about a +ADw-br+AD4- first person decathalon competition? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-But my money is on a Speed boat sim. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Opinions? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Ralf Southard +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-Subject: Re: Papyrus next project?? +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-Date: 2 Dec 1994 13:27:56 +130- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Papyrus cannot release any info on their next project at this time. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-following info does come from reliable sources: +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-1. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-No plans to update IndyCar at this time. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-2. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-No plans to add Miami to the IndyCar track collection. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-3. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Information on the next project will be available when the next new +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-project press release comes out. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'd imagine 2Q-95. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-This certainly opens the discussion and speculation as to what could be next. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-How about a Baja or motocross sim? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If Microprose still has plans to do F1, I +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-don't think Papyrus should waste their time on that project. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'm sure MP's +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-sim will be terrific. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If their recent flight sims are any indication, a new +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Formula Grand Prix/World Circuit may just blow us away. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-I look for Papyrus to try something entirely different. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Heck, how about a +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-first person decathalon competition? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-But my money is on a Speed boat sim. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Opinions? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-I'm hoping they'll put out a good quality Motorcycle Roadracing Sim for +ADw-br+AD4- either World Superbike, World Grand Prix, or AMA Superbike. I'm sure +ADw-br+AD4- this would be a nice challenge for the programmers. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Ralf Southard +ADw-br+AD4-
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Personally, I'd love to see a motorcycle racing simulation, especially +ADw-br+AD4- now that an Aussie is world champion... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-To my knowledge, there has never been a decent bike sim, I think the +ADw-br+AD4- market is waiting for one. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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Well no one has come up with a decent Rally sim yet. A couple of +ADw-br+AD4- efforts have hit the market but nothing of the quality of ICR or +ADw-br+AD4- F1GP. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Regards, +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Louis +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-What, are you all nuts? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Let's get sideways+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Sprint car simulation, anyone? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-On dirt? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I heard some remark that they wanted to put in the ability to +ADw-br+AD4- get upside-down into the NASCAR simulation, but didn't want to +ADw-br+AD4- delay the release any more. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Well, I say go ahead and program +ADw-br+AD4- it in, get some dirt trackin' in (definitely need analogue +ADw-br+AD4- accelerator (pedals or pushing forward on a flight yoke)), and +ADw-br+AD4- have a blast+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Use less sophisticated graphics, for a blindingly +ADw-br+AD4- fast frame rate (close quarters racing needs it), a panoramic view +ADw-br+AD4- (in lieu of hardware to allow head tilting) ... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Or how about an MTEG simulator, just the trucks, or other classes too? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Anyway, about a motorcycle sim/game with tilting view: Yes, Amiga +ADw-br+AD4- Red Zone, by Psygnosis, has this. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It's very difficult, but fun. +ADw-br+AD4- The problem is with the other bikes+ADs- they don't behave right and +ADw-br+AD4- your sense of how close you are to them isn't there (rather like +ADw-br+AD4- F1GP, really). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-(Not to mention you never wiggle under acceleration. It's a game +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-rather than a simulation (again, like F1GP).) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-: How about a motorcycle racing simulator. Setup would probably be boring +ADw-br+AD4- : since things like stagger, sway bar etc.. are have no meaning on bikes. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- No, not really. On bike you have intricate suspension setups. You +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- can adjust front and rear ride height, f/r preload, f/r compression +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- damping, f/r rebound damping, f/r spring rates, etc. This would provide +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- some detail in the setups. Heck, be cruel and throw in carb jetting, +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- unless it's a GP game with fuel injected GP bikes. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- It be the first motorcycle +ACY-quot+ADs-sim+ACY-quot+ADs- I think. I've only seen motorcycle +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- games. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-: The thought of a Indycar/NASCAR type sim with a tilting horizon makes me +ADw-br+AD4- :+ACoAKgAq- my chops. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-As far as I know, nobody has ever attempted this. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-There +ADw-br+AD4- : are some cycle games (i.e Accolade Cyclemania) but no real simulators. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- ICR version 2.0 would be incredible+ACEAIQ- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Darrel +ADw-br+AD4- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAXwBfACY-amp+ADsAXwBf- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- Darrel Cherry +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- / +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AFw- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- San Jose State Math/Computer Science +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- : I was just curious. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Does anyone know if Papyrus will be +ADw-br+AD4- : doing a Formula-1 simulation? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I know that Microprose has +ADw-br+AD4- : World-Circuit out, but IndyCar Racing was a big hit and +ADw-br+AD4- : NASCAR seems destined to surpass that, it only seems logical +ADw-br+AD4- : that they would move into F-1. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Any ideas or comments? +ADw-br+AD4- : Also, does anyone know if Papyrus will release a revamped +ADw-br+AD4- : version of IndyCar with all the fixes and new features in +ADw-br+AD4- : NASCAR that are appicable? +ADw-br+AD4- : +ADw-br+AD4- : Thanks alot+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- : +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- : +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Jeffrey K. Stier +ADw-br+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I'd like to see a good 4wd/off road simulator (stadium races, BAJA, etc.) or +ADw-br+AD4- a good ol' redneckin' big tires +ACY-amp+ADs- loud exhaust game (anyone ever see street rod +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-amp+ADs- street rod 2? something along that line but with the complexities of suspen- +ADw-br+AD4- sion +ACY-amp+ADs- engine tuning, +ACY-amp+ADs- better controls) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-: +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-: How about a motorcycle racing simulator. Setup would probably be boring +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-: since things like stagger, sway bar etc.. are have no meaning on bikes. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-No, not really. On bike you have intricate suspension setups. You +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-can adjust front and rear ride height, f/r preload, f/r compression +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-damping, f/r rebound damping, f/r spring rates, etc. This would provide +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-some detail in the setups. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Quite. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The set up of a motorcycles suspension is very tricky...And if the +ADw-br+AD4- sim had different road surfaces, this would be the ultimate challenge. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-No +ADw-br+AD4- matter how sticky a front tyre is on the bike, with out the springs keeping +ADw-br+AD4- it on the road, you still have no grip. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Actually only Honda have experimented with EFI on 2-stroke GP 500's. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-This +ADw-br+AD4- is more of an issue in WSC with Ducati and now Honda using electronic fuel +ADw-br+AD4- and air mixers. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Accolade's Cycles is a bit dated now, but was a not too bad attempt when it +ADw-br+AD4- was released. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It was the first sim I saw that had a non-flat road surface - ie +ADw-br+AD4- hills etc. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Maybe, but a 500GP/WSC sim would be NEW+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-There are quite a few car sims +ADw-br+AD4- that are very good, but the bike sim market has been neglected so long +ADw-br+AD4- now. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Hell, I might just have to stop buying all great other sims until +ADw-br+AD4- Microprose or someone actually gives me what a really want... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Julian +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-What, are you all nuts? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Let's get sideways+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Sprint car simulation, anyone? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-On dirt? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +AHs-Stuff deleted+AH0- +ADw-br+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-That would be great+ACE- 'Course off-road would be real nice :) Mickey +ADw-br+AD4- Thompson Stadium racing :)) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AKw-----------------------+---------------------+----------------------- +ADw-br+AD4-
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True, the setup of a motorcycle can be tricky but I was speaking in terms of +ADw-br+AD4- the ICR type of suspension changes (Shock stiffness controls all +ADw-br+AD4- parameters at once). +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If this was all that was on a bike sim, it would +ADw-br+AD4- be boring. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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