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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Agreed in most cases. You can apply the triangle of forces to this +ADw-br+AD4- situation. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-MS +ADw-br+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPgAm-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- I hate to break it to you, but most oval track accidents, even the ones +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- that are +ACY-quot+ADs-200 MPH+ACY-quot+ADs- are really only 40-80 MPH accidents with the wall. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- This has been confirmed via telemtry from actual CART crashes. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACo-ONLY+ACo- thing that matters relative to the whole vehicle is your speed +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- relative to the wall. If you glance off a wall, only a portion of your +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- velocity is lateral. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-This is called the normal force in physics. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Pick up +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- any physics text book and you'll see what I'm talking about. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If you don't +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- believe me, ask some others who remember their phisics. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-Gimme a break+ACE- You're telling me that regardless of whether I skip off a +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-wall and lose 10+ACU- of my velocity or if I head-on the wall and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-lose 100+ACU- of my velocity the forces imparted on the car are the same -- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-they are just +ACY-quot+ADs-distributed+ACY-quot+ADs- differently. LOL +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-Randy +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-While all of us are concerned with track safety, you're assumptions +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-are completely wrong. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Force is determined by mass and velocity. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-Nothing more. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The angle of a wall has nothing to do with the impact +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-forces a car will sustain. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The only thing it effects is how the force +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-gets distributed into the mass of the vehicle. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- -- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-quot+ADs-Instead of letting the moon be the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Bill Mette +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-gateway to our future, we have let +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Enteract, Chicago +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-it become a brief chapter in our +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-or should I say the designers and people who signed off on such a design are to +ADw-br+AD4- blame. in the moment it takes to sense the horror it was plain to see that by +ADw-br+AD4- angling the walls for emergency vehicle access ( ironic ) it would clearly lead +ADw-br+AD4- to highly inflated impact values. at their present angle the walls it looked +ADw-br+AD4- like almost a straight on hit for Greg. surely a reduction of the 20 degrees +ADw-br+AD4- that the walls are set on would make a difference, perhaps even here where the +ADw-br+AD4- tragedy of speed once again reminds me to live my life fully every day. +ADw-br+AD4- jm +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-To be more specific to the cause of Greg's passing i have noticed to be +ADw-br+AD4- the emergency vehicle road from the infield. If you are able to see the +ADw-br+AD4- replay again, though i'm against any airing of it except the live shot, +ADw-br+AD4- you will see that there is a considerable elevation change from grass to +ADw-br+AD4- asphalt to grass, i predict it to be three inches. G's car was +ADw-br+AD4- sliding perpendicular on to that road. He was going across the first +ADw-br+AD4- part of grass okay, hit the asphalt okay, but the grass rising the three +ADw-br+AD4- inches caught the right side tires causing the roll which lead to the +ADw-br+AD4- upside-down impact on to an average wall that was just there. A tire +ADw-br+AD4- wall along that wall could have been just as fatal how he hit. The tires +ADw-br+AD4- could have caused the damage to his neck/spine by pressing him just as +ADw-br+AD4- much as the roll bar. Leave it at this, i live on vancouver island which +ADw-br+AD4- is close to Maple Ridge, when i saw the accident the first time i was +ADw-br+AD4- sick to my stomach, i still am but his accident was caused by turbulence +ADw-br+AD4- from the car infront, lost air to his back end, spun, caught the grass +ADw-br+AD4- and flipped to a critical angle and hit a cement wall. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Rest in piece. He was going to be the best... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- or should I say the designers and people who signed off on such a design are to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- blame. in the moment it takes to sense the horror it was plain to see that by +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- angling the walls for emergency vehicle access ( ironic ) it would clearly lead +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- to highly inflated impact values. at their present angle the walls it looked +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- like almost a straight on hit for Greg. surely a reduction of the 20 degrees +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- that the walls are set on would make a difference, perhaps even here where the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- tragedy of speed once again reminds me to live my life fully every day. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- jm +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-I am just kinda wondering why everyone is sitting around casting blame. +ADw-br+AD4- After seeing accident I cannot see why someone can say this is why or that +ADw-br+AD4- is why or he or she is to blame. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Greg Moore died doing something he loved +ADw-br+AD4- doing, and he was good enough at it to make a very good living at it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-In a +ADw-br+AD4- way I envy him since he was able to do something he loved dearly in the +ADw-br+AD4- last moments of his life. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Dave +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-or should I say the designers and people who signed off on such a design are to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-blame. in the moment it takes to sense the horror it was plain to see that by +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-angling the walls for emergency vehicle access ( ironic ) it would clearly lead +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-to highly inflated impact values. at their present angle the walls it looked +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-like almost a straight on hit for Greg. surely a reduction of the 20 degrees +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-that the walls are set on would make a difference, perhaps even here where the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-tragedy of speed once again reminds me to live my life fully every day. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- While all of us are concerned with track safety, you're assumptions are +ADw-br+AD4- completely wrong. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Force is determined by mass and velocity. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Nothing +ADw-br+AD4- more. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The angle of a wall has nothing to do with the impact forces a car +ADw-br+AD4- will sustain. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The only thing it effects is how the force gets distributed +ADw-br+AD4- into the mass of the vehicle. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-quot+ADs-Instead of letting the moon be the +ADw-br+AD4- Bill Mette +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-gateway to our future, we have let +ADw-br+AD4- Enteract, Chicago +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-it become a brief chapter in our +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Gimme a break+ACE- You're telling me that regardless of whether I skip off +ADw-br+AD4- a wall and lose 10+ACU- of my velocity or if I head-on the wall and lose +ADw-br+AD4- 100+ACU- of my velocity the forces imparted on the car are the same -- +ADw-br+AD4- they are just +ACY-quot+ADs-distributed+ACY-quot+ADs- differently. LOL +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Randy +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPgAm-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-While all of us are concerned with track safety, you're assumptions are +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-completely wrong. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Force is determined by mass and velocity. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Nothing +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-more. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The angle of a wall has nothing to do with the impact forces a car +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-will sustain. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The only thing it effects is how the force gets distributed +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-into the mass of the vehicle. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs--- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- +ACY-quot+ADs-Instead of letting the moon be the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Bill Mette +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-gateway to our future, we have let +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Enteract, Chicago +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-it become a brief chapter in our +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADs- I hate to break it to you, but most oval track accidents, even the ones +ADw-br+AD4- that are +ACY-quot+ADs-200 MPH+ACY-quot+ADs- are really only 40-80 MPH accidents with the wall. +ADw-br+AD4- This has been confirmed via telemtry from actual CART crashes. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The +ADw-br+AD4- +ACo-ONLY+ACo- thing that matters relative to the whole vehicle is your speed +ADw-br+AD4- relative to the wall. If you glance off a wall, only a portion of your +ADw-br+AD4- velocity is lateral. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-This is called the normal force in physics. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Pick up +ADw-br+AD4- any physics text book and you'll see what I'm talking about. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If you don't +ADw-br+AD4- believe me, ask some others who remember their phisics. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPgAm-gt+ADs-Gimme a break+ACE- You're telling me that regardless of whether I skip off a +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-wall and lose 10+ACU- of my velocity or if I head-on the wall and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-lose 100+ACU- of my velocity the forces imparted on the car are the same -- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-they are just +ACY-quot+ADs-distributed+ACY-quot+ADs- differently. LOL +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Randy +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-While all of us are concerned with track safety, you're assumptions +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-are completely wrong. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Force is determined by mass and velocity. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-Nothing more. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The angle of a wall has nothing to do with the impact +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-forces a car will sustain. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The only thing it effects is how the force +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-gets distributed into the mass of the vehicle. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-quot+ADs-Instead of letting the moon be the +ADw-br+AD4- Bill Mette +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-gateway to our future, we have let +ADw-br+AD4- Enteract, Chicago +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-it become a brief chapter in our +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- or should I say the designers and people who signed off on +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- such a design are to blame. in the moment it takes to sense +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- the horror it was plain to see that by angling the walls for +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- emergency vehicle access ( ironic ) it would clearly lead to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- highly inflated impact values. at their present angle the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- walls it looked like almost a straight on hit for Greg. surely +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- a reduction of the 20 degrees that the walls are set on would +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- make a difference, perhaps even here where the tragedy of +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- speed once again reminds me to live my life fully every day. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- While all of us are concerned with track safety, you're +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- assumptions are completely wrong. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Force is determined by mass +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- and velocity. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Nothing more. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The angle of a wall has nothing +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- to do with the impact forces a car will sustain. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The only +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- thing it effects is how the force gets distributed into the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- mass of the vehicle. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Bill Mette +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-It does, indeed, matter at what angle you hit the wall. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The +ADw-br+AD4- original poster was saying that the angle of the emergency +ADw-br+AD4- vehicle wall yielded a nearly 90 degree impact for Greg Moore. +ADw-br+AD4- The severity of an impact with a wall depends on the speed of +ADw-br+AD4- the car in the direction perpendicular (i.e., 90 degrees) to +ADw-br+AD4- the wall. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-If you were traveling at 150 mph on a path perfectly parallel +ADw-br+AD4- to the wall, you would have a relative perpendicular speed of +ADw-br+AD4- 0 mph with the wall. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If you changed your direction so that +ADw-br+AD4- you were traveling at an angle of 2 degrees with the wall, +ADw-br+AD4- you would then have a perpendicular speed of about 5-1/4 mph +ADw-br+AD4- with the wall, which means that you don't hit very hard if you +ADw-br+AD4- only hit the wall at a 2 degree angle at 200 mph. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If, however, +ADw-br+AD4- you hit the wall at something closer to 70 degrees (I'm guessing, +ADw-br+AD4- since it was rather hard to determine fromt the television shot +ADw-br+AD4- of the crash), you would then have an impact velocity of almost +ADw-br+AD4- 141 mph in a direction perpendicular to the wall. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-With the car +ADw-br+AD4- traveling at that kind of speed, there likely isn't a protective +ADw-br+AD4- barrier in the world that would have made any difference. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It's +ADw-br+AD4- doubtful it would have been a survivable crash even if the car +ADw-br+AD4- had remained perfectly upright before it hit. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-What needs to +ADw-br+AD4- happen is that they need to pave the grass to keep the cars from +ADw-br+AD4- bouncing into a tumble, and they need to keep the walls all at +ADw-br+AD4- a parallel angle with the track. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The entrance through the wall +ADw-br+AD4- should have had the angled section shielded BEHIND the parallel +ADw-br+AD4- section and the opening, +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AFw- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AFw- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- ------------ +ADw-br+AD4- ------------- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-rather than projecting out IN FRONT of the straight section and +ADw-br+AD4- opening. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs------------- +ADw-br+AD4- --------+AFw- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AFw- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AFw- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AFw- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ +ADw-br+AD4- Before you buy. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Agreed in most cases. You can apply the triangle of forces to this +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-situation. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-MS +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- Of course, the only thing that truely matters is the deceleration of the +ADw-br+AD4- brain and internal organs. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-This is the part that's insanely complex. +ADw-br+AD4- Things like which part of the car hit first, what the seat belts are +ADw-br+AD4- contructed of, the weight of the driver's helmet, etc... all play roles. +ADw-br+AD4- It's a morbid but very important field of study. +ADw-br+AD4- -- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-quot+ADs-Instead of letting the moon be the +ADw-br+AD4- Bill Mette +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-gateway to our future, we have let +ADw-br+AD4- Enteract, Chicago +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-it become a brief chapter in our +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-I believe it was the turbocharger which killed him. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-He was off the turn and +ADw-br+AD4- headed straight, about where the turbo will really kick in, and the thing +ADw-br+AD4- looped on him. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Same thing happened to another driver several laps before. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I have always hated turbo's. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-CART is the only series left that still uses +ADw-br+AD4- the damn things... +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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From what I hear, Greg had brushed the wall heading into turn 1 that lap and it +ADw-br+AD4- damaged the suspension or deflated a tire or something of that sort. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-That +ADw-br+AD4- caused him to spin out. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Dan Belcher +ADw-br+AD4- Team Racing Unlimited +ADw-br+AD4- http://members.xoom.com/simcrash1/simcrash +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-I think predicting what angle a car is going to hit a wall at is a big +ADw-br+AD4- problem. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Ultimately, I'd bet it was the grass that killed him. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The tires +ADw-br+AD4- dug into the turf and got him airborne and tipped him over. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If the grass +ADw-br+AD4- were more smooth or paved over, maybe he would have slid into the wall +ADw-br+AD4- instead of flying into it, and would have lost some speed in the process. +ADw-br+AD4- And maybe he wouldn't have hit that wall sideways and head first. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Although +ADw-br+AD4- since this is all in retrospect, I can't see blaming anyone for it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'm +ADw-br+AD4- sure race track safety is an extremely complex topic and there's about a +ADw-br+AD4- million things we aren't taking into consideration here. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--A +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-or should I say the designers and people who signed off on such a design +ADw-br+AD4- are to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-blame. in the moment it takes to sense the horror it was plain to see that +ADw-br+AD4- by +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-angling the walls for emergency vehicle access ( ironic ) it would clearly +ADw-br+AD4- lead +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-to highly inflated impact values. at their present angle the walls it +ADw-br+AD4- looked +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-like almost a straight on hit for Greg. surely a reduction of the 20 +ADw-br+AD4- degrees +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-that the walls are set on would make a difference, perhaps even here where +ADw-br+AD4- the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-tragedy of speed once again reminds me to live my life fully every day. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-jm +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-You originally said: +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-quot+ADs-The angle of a wall has nothing to do with the impact forces a car +ADw-br+AD4- will sustain. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The only thing it effects is how the force gets +ADw-br+AD4- distributed into the mass of the vehicle.+ACY-quot+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-It sounds like we are now saying the same thing... If you head-on a +ADw-br+AD4- wall it's completely different than skipping off. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If the wall doesn't +ADw-br+AD4- absorb all the car's energy -- regardless of the relative velocity -- +ADw-br+AD4- the the forces on the car will not be the same. How fast is the car +ADw-br+AD4- moving (retained energy) after the contact, this will matter. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Randy +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPgAm-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I hate to break it to you, but most oval track accidents, even the ones +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-that are +ACY-quot+ADs-200 MPH+ACY-quot+ADs- are really only 40-80 MPH accidents with the wall. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-This has been confirmed via telemtry from actual CART crashes. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAKg-ONLY+ACo- thing that matters relative to the whole vehicle is your speed +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-relative to the wall. If you glance off a wall, only a portion of your +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-velocity is lateral. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-This is called the normal force in physics. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Pick up +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-any physics text book and you'll see what I'm talking about. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If you don't +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-believe me, ask some others who remember their phisics. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-Gimme a break+ACE- You're telling me that regardless of whether I skip off a +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-wall and lose 10+ACU- of my velocity or if I head-on the wall and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-lose 100+ACU- of my velocity the forces imparted on the car are the same -- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-they are just +ACY-quot+ADs-distributed+ACY-quot+ADs- differently. LOL +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-Randy +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-While all of us are concerned with track safety, you're assumptions +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-are completely wrong. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Force is determined by mass and velocity. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-Nothing more. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The angle of a wall has nothing to do with the impact +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-forces a car will sustain. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The only thing it effects is how the force +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-gets distributed into the mass of the vehicle. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs--- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- +ACY-quot+ADs-Instead of letting the moon be the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Bill Mette +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-gateway to our future, we have let +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Enteract, Chicago +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-it become a brief chapter in our +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-We've only been able to see the one replay of Moore's crash - whereas on +ADw-br+AD4- Hearne's incident a few laps earlier, there were multiple-camera replays. If +ADw-br+AD4- you watch the Hearne's incident from the in-car camera, you will see that +ADw-br+AD4- the car loses control as soon as Hearne's car enters the airflow directly +ADw-br+AD4- behind the car in front of him. Many drivers have been complaining for a +ADw-br+AD4- while now about the lack of grip, and more importantly the side-effects of +ADw-br+AD4- the Hanford device (+ACY-quot+ADs-dirty air+ACY-quot+ADs-, where there is turbulence and reduced +ADw-br+AD4- downforce). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-The following diagram (crudely) shows what I saw on the replay: +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AH0Aew- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-lt+ADs-car in front of Hearne +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AH0Aew- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-lt+ADs- Hearne (no problems yet) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4---------- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AH0Aew- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-lt+ADs-car in front of Hearne +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfQB7- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-lt+ADs-Hearne (problems now+ACEAIQ-) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Moore was reported to be in traffic (close to 4 cars?) at the time of his +ADw-br+AD4- incident. Another report suggested his tire hit the wall in Turn 1, and may +ADw-br+AD4- possibly have deflated. Still, I believe due to the uncanny similarity +ADw-br+AD4- between Moore's incident and Hearne's - that until/if any further evidence +ADw-br+AD4- is brought forward, I must conclude that whatever caused Hearne's similarly +ADw-br+AD4- caused Moore's loss of control (skid marks were almost identical.. only a +ADw-br+AD4- couple of metres separated them). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-R. Hashana +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Well if you want to get technical, the velocity must be split up into +ADw-br+AD4- components perpendicular and parallel to the wall and the perpendicular +ADw-br+AD4- component is the only one used in the calculation of force. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-JB +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-or should I say the designers and people who signed off on such a design +ADw-br+AD4- are to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-blame. in the moment it takes to sense the horror it was plain to see +ADw-br+AD4- that by +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-angling the walls for emergency vehicle access ( ironic ) it would +ADw-br+AD4- clearly lead +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-to highly inflated impact values. at their present angle the walls it +ADw-br+AD4- looked +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-like almost a straight on hit for Greg. surely a reduction of the 20 +ADw-br+AD4- degrees +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-that the walls are set on would make a difference, perhaps even here +ADw-br+AD4- where the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-tragedy of speed once again reminds me to live my life fully every day. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- While all of us are concerned with track safety, you're assumptions are +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- completely wrong. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Force is determined by mass and velocity. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Nothing +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- more. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The angle of a wall has nothing to do with the impact forces a car +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- will sustain. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The only thing it effects is how the force gets distributed +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- into the mass of the vehicle. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- -- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-quot+ADs-Instead of letting the moon be the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Bill Mette +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-gateway to our future, we have let +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Enteract, Chicago +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-it become a brief chapter in our +ADw-br+AD4-
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