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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Anyone with experience on a +ACo-real+ACo- racing simulator - with a motion platform +ADw-br+AD4- and high-quality (anti-aliased, texture-mapped) graphics ?? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Yeah this is a big ticket item, but compared to the bucks it can take +ADw-br+AD4- to really go racing, it might be pretty cost effective - and I could +ADw-br+AD4- go racing any time anywhere - no 6 hour tow to Road Atlanta twice a +ADw-br+AD4- year. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I know how to do the graphics, and I figure I can find out about the +ADw-br+AD4- vehicle dynamics somewhere, but what about the motion ? My experience +ADw-br+AD4- on track is that my eyes tell me what other cars are doing and my +ACoAKgAqADw-br+AD4- tells me what +ACo-my+ACo- car is doing. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Anyone have info on a cost effective motion platform good enough to +ADw-br+AD4- simulate something like a Formula Ford - one person, seat, controls, +ADw-br+AD4- fiberglass+ACoAKgAq-pit, helmet mounted display - say 350 lbs total payload +ADw-br+AD4- simulating 1G max ??? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Nick England +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-I don't know the acceleration and travel parameters, but at +ADw-br+AD4- the IAAPA (International Association of Amu+ACoAKgAq-t Parks and +ADw-br+AD4- Attractions) exhibition in late November, there were large and +ADw-br+AD4- small motion platforms running both canned and interactive +ADw-br+AD4- experiences. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-A real blast. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-One small motion platform was running a simulation of driving +ADw-br+AD4- through the rather dark hilly countryside around a Gothamesque +ADw-br+AD4- city. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The motion was decent and the database nice. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-A good +ADw-br+AD4- ride even though you were constrained to stay on the road. +ADw-br+AD4- Still you could really feel it when you rubbed the curbs that +ADw-br+AD4- kept you roadbound. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The platform was a large box (perhaps 6'D +ADw-br+AD4- X 5'H x 3'W) on a three or four point support arrangement with +ADw-br+AD4- two pistons diagonally supporting each point. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-McFaddin built the motion platform (I think in the +ACQ-30-40K +ADw-br+AD4- range). +ACY-nbsp+ADs-A small company named Xatrix did the visual database. +ADw-br+AD4- Gemini did the application and dynamics. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-And an SGI Reality +ADw-br+AD4- Engine provided the the anti-aliased, texture-mapped graphics +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-McFaddin also showed a slightly larger platform running a +ADw-br+AD4- Batman film-based ride. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Also, Magic Edge makes an +ADw-br+AD4- unconventional one person game pod that they were showing at +ADw-br+AD4- IAAPA. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Supported only at the tail, it can turn you upside +ADw-br+AD4- down. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Just the thing for when you roll the car+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-On the lower end (no motion) Namco's new Ridge Racer arcade +ADw-br+AD4- game (similar 3D textured graphics to Air Combat, but with a +ADw-br+AD4- better database) is HOT. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Air Combat and Ridge Racer were +ADw-br+AD4- maintaining better frame rates (60Hz+ACEAIQ-??) than a lot of the +ADw-br+AD4- stuff running on big iron, and go for only +ACQ-15K a pop. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-rgds, +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--jim helman +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPgAm-gt+ADs-Anyone with experience on a +ACo-real+ACo- racing simulator - with a motion platform +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-and high-quality (anti-aliased, texture-mapped) graphics ?? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Yeah this is a big ticket item, but compared to the bucks it can take +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-to really go racing, it might be pretty cost effective - and I could +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-go racing any time anywhere - no 6 hour tow to Road Atlanta twice a +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-year. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-I know how to do the graphics, and I figure I can find out about the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-vehicle dynamics somewhere, but what about the motion ? My experience +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-on track is that my eyes tell me what other cars are doing and my +ACoAKgAqADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-tells me what +ACo-my+ACo- car is doing. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Anyone have info on a cost effective motion platform good enough to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-simulate something like a Formula Ford - one person, seat, controls, +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-fiberglass+ACoAKgAq-pit, helmet mounted display - say 350 lbs total payload +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-simulating 1G max ??? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Nick England +ADw-br+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-I was reading an artical in one of the British Institution of Electrical +ADw-br+AD4- Engineers journals a few months ago about an English firm who had developed a +ADw-br+AD4- motion platform based on electrical rather than hydraulic motivators. I've just +ADw-br+AD4- got the artical. Its in the September 1993 copy of the IEE Review p216. The +ADw-br+AD4- product is called PEMRAM it uses a tubular 'linear motor' ( no longer linear but I +ADw-br+AD4- hope it explanes what I mean). There is an example +ADw-br+AD4- in the artical of a device capable of supporting 2 tonnes and producing a thrust +ADw-br+AD4- of 1 tonne over 250 mm. The idea is that they are a lot cheeper than the +ADw-br+AD4- hydraulic systems and that the system is soft (uses air springing) so there is +ADw-br+AD4- non of the fluid shock that you get with hydraulic systems. Also its electrical +ADw-br+AD4- so you dont need all that messy fluids and mechanical interfaces etc. The motion +ADw-br+AD4- bandwidth is above 10Hz which sould be enough to provide the required user +ADw-br+AD4- feedback for a simulator system. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Let us hope that the avalibility of cheep systems like this will make realistic +ADw-br+AD4- simulation an available technology. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-Anyone have info on a cost effective motion platform good enough to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-simulate something like a Formula Ford - one person, seat, controls, +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-fiberglass+ACoAKgAq-pit, helmet mounted display - say 350 lbs total payload +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-simulating 1G max ??? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-I was reading an artical in one of the British Institution of Electrical +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Engineers journals a few months ago about an English firm who had developed a +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-motion platform based on electrical rather than hydraulic motivators. I've just +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-got the artical. Its in the September 1993 copy of the IEE Review p216. The +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs-(stuff about linear actuator deleted) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Thanks, I'll look it up. While in England last month I rode on two +ADw-br+AD4- motion platforms, one in the Imperial War Museum, the other a +ADw-br+AD4- Hughes/Rediffusion machine in the terminal at Gatwick airport. I assume +ADw-br+AD4- they were hydraulic, but to tell the truth I didn't look closely. +ADw-br+AD4- Neither were interactive - the Imperial War Museum simulated a Mosquito +ADw-br+AD4- bomb run using actual WWII film, the other had a choice of auto racing +ADw-br+AD4- (an awesome hillside track in Australia - where's that ?), F-16 dogfight, +ADw-br+AD4- auto rally, downhill ski, bobsled, etc. Check it out. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Back on the subject at hand - +ADw-br+AD4- I have got some info from MOOG INC. on a motion platform they make using +ADw-br+AD4- such linear electric actuators - designed for amu+ACoAKgAq-t park attractions it +ADw-br+AD4- seems - payload of 9000 lb, 4 degrees of freedom. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-This is way too big (for 20 people at a time at least) and way +ADw-br+AD4- too expensive (+ACQ-325,000) for my needs but here's what you get - +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-9000 lb payload +ADw-br+AD4- 2.5 G's max (emergency stop) +ADw-br+AD4- 5 msec update rate +ADw-br+AD4- 13 ft x 15 ft flying platform +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- excursion +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- velocity +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-acceleration +ADw-br+AD4- pitch +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 22 deg +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 20deg/sec +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-150deg/sec+ACoAKg-2 +ADw-br+AD4- roll +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-25 deg +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- same +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-same +ADw-br+AD4- vert +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-21 in. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 20 in/sec +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-0.6G for 7000lb. (depends on load) +ADw-br+AD4- (heave) +ADw-br+AD4- long +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-32 in +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-same +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-0.4G for 7000lb. (ditto) +ADw-br+AD4- (surge) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I'm gonna check and see what they make that is quite a bit smaller. +ADw-br+AD4- Moog Inc +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-East Aurora,NY +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-716/652-2000 +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Does anyone know if 4 DOF is sufficient for a race car simulator or +ADw-br+AD4- is a full 6 DOF system necessary? Just thinking about it, it seems +ADw-br+AD4- that roll might be an effective substitute for sideways translation +ADw-br+AD4- (what is the term I need here? slip?). It seems yaw would be necessary to +ADw-br+AD4- simulate things like intentionally inducing rotation +ADw-br+AD4- with trailing throttle oversteer - or the beginnings of a spin. +ADw-br+AD4- When I am on track it certainly seems that much of my sense of just how +ADw-br+AD4- far to hang the tail out depends on a sense of yaw. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Actually, I need to read some more about this somewhere - trying to be +ADw-br+AD4- analytical about what I was experiencing during a race is kinda +ADw-br+AD4- difficult - too much adrenaline poisoning I suspect +ACEAIQ- Any suggestions +ADw-br+AD4- of where to read about vehicle simulation in general and motion +ADw-br+AD4- simulation in particular +ACY-nbsp+ADs-??? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Nick +ADw-br+AD4-
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