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+ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p1+ACIAPg-F1GP +ACY-amp+ADs- ICR? like trying to compare apples and oranges+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-I've played ICR.. and F1GP... and.. it's like comparing an old atari game +ADw-br+AD4- to a game in the arcade... there's no way F1GP comes anywhere near ICR in +ADw-br+AD4- terms of fun, feel, look... everything+ACE- F1GP a mole on the face of auto +ADw-br+AD4- sims+ACE- Don't get me wrong... i do hate f1gp+ACE- And i can't believe some ppl +ADw-br+AD4- say it's better than ICR... do they like driving ROBOT cars, around +ADw-br+AD4- almost flat plastic tracks? do they like the way the pit sucks them in, +ADw-br+AD4- and how you have a bottomless fuel tank? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-just thought i'd let you know... :) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-damian +ADw-br+AD4- -- +ADw-br+AD4- --------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8---- +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p2+ACIAPg-F1GP +ACY-amp+ADs- ICR? like trying to compare apples and oranges+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- I've played ICR.. and F1GP... and.. it's like comparing an old atari game +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AF4AXgBeAF4AXgBeAF4AXgBeAF4AXgBeAF4AXg- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAPQ- ICR +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AfAAm-gt+ADs- to a game in the arcade... +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AF4AXgBeAF4AXgBeAF4AXgBeAF4AXgBeAF4AXgBeAF4AXgBe- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AD0- F1GP +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-agreed+ACE- You won't get 25 Hz repeat rate +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-with full detail on with ICR +ADs--) +ACY-nbsp+ADs-(maybe on a DX4 ?+ACE-) +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AfAAm-gt+ADs- there's no way F1GP comes anywhere near ICR in +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- terms of fun, feel, look... everything+ACE- F1GP a mole on the face of auto +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- sims+ACE- Don't get me wrong... i do hate f1gp+ACE- And i can't believe some ppl +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- say it's better than ICR... do they like driving ROBOT cars, around +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- almost flat plastic tracks? do they like the way the pit sucks them in, +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-NO+ACE- We just switch the steering help OFF +ACEAIQAh- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AfAAm-gt+ADs- and how you have a bottomless fuel tank? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-??? bottomless ??? NO+ACE- It is just as full as you need it. The car is definitely +ADw-br+AD4- loosing weight during the race... Exactly like in F1 in 1991. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Do not misunderstand me, I have ICR and F1GP on my HD. +ADw-br+AD4- I like ICR for the ovals and F1GP for all other tracks... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Herbert (243.050 mph at Michigan) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p3+ACIAPg-F1GP +ACY-amp+ADs- ICR? like trying to compare apples and oranges+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4-
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Well, F1 cars DO carry all the fuel without needing pit stops, so +ADw-br+AD4- THAT is realistic. +ADw-br+AD4- AI cars in ICR won't pass you when you're at a dead stop, slow to +ADw-br+AD4- 85mph on a straightaway at Michigan, New Hampshire, etc. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Last time I +ADw-br+AD4- checked, there are a good many hills on WC tracks, and they are where +ADw-br+AD4- they are supposed to be. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-And speaking of tracks, does ICR have all +ADw-br+AD4- 16 for it's circuit? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-No. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Can you control the car well without a +ADw-br+AD4- Thrustmaster wheel on a road course? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-No. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Can you get statistics on +ADw-br+AD4- previous races, etc? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-No. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-You can spend +ACQ-250 for ICR, getting the game, 2 track disks, and a TM +ADw-br+AD4- wheel to be able to control it properly - and still have STUPID AI to +ADw-br+AD4- deal with, which Papyrus ISN'T going to fix, period - they have said +ADw-br+AD4- so. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Or spend +ACQ-35 on WC, get a good editor (F1ED 2.0 for PC is +ADw-br+AD4- great), modify the computer stats to make the game competitive (the +ADw-br+AD4- AI being it's only real weakness) and be able to drive with your +ADw-br+AD4- current joystick - and have one Hell of a good time racing an ENTIRE +ADw-br+AD4- season. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Oh, BTW, WC-2 is coming - it should have all the setups you have in +ADw-br+AD4- ICR, better control, all the tracks, better graphics, etc. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Have fun +ADw-br+AD4- with ICR, and it's 15 frames a second fuzzy graphics. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Just thought I'd let you know+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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+ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p4+ACIAPg-F1GP +ACY-amp+ADs- ICR? like trying to compare apples and oranges+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4-
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Realistic for the 1991 season which the game seemed to be modeled for. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
This depends alot on where you stop. When you stop on the track the +ADw-br+AD4- cars WILL pass you eventually. You are right about ICR during a yellow. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Actually they do now. Plus a car editor, apparently. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Nope. No printouts like F1GP. AND THAT SUCKS+ACEAIQ- There is noe reason not +ADw-br+AD4- to do this. I really don't understand why they apparently refuse to +ADw-br+AD4- consider this. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
As for why you cannot control the ICR cars? THat is difficult to tell +ADw-br+AD4- with the info you provided. For all I know you are using the gameport +ADw-br+AD4- from your sound card. Or worse, the gameport from the I/O card that +ADw-br+AD4- came with your computer. If your calibrated numbers are not close to +ADw-br+AD4- 150, I would expect problems. I am assuming you have a good +ADw-br+AD4- joystick :-) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Well I wouldn't fix the ICR IA either+ACE- The AI for WC seems perfect +ADw-br+AD4- for a NASCAR game. Everytime you try to pass one of those computer +ADw-br+AD4- butt-heads on a straight (like tamborillo) they hammer you. Happens +ADw-br+AD4- all the time. Like a penalty for passing in the wrong part of the +ADw-br+AD4- track. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Right... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
BTW, F1GP doesn't have all the tracks either. I couldn't find South Africa +ADw-br+AD4- from last year. Or the Pacific GP (in japan ) this year. And ICR h2h modem +ADw-br+AD4- play blows away F1GP period+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-But, thanks for letting us know anyway. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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I'm using a Gravis Eliminator Gamecard w/ Gravis joystick. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I +ADw-br+AD4- wouldn't say you can't control ICR, it's just too touchy. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I hate the +ADw-br+AD4- line magnet in WC sometimes, but it is (to me) the lesser of two +ADw-br+AD4- evils compared to ICR. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I have heard comments from many others that +ADw-br+AD4- ICR just doesn't control right without the Thrustmaster. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-p+AD4-
Don't know about Modem h2h on either, but WC DOES have all the +ADw-br+AD4- tracks, for the 1991 season it is simulating. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'd like to see more +ADw-br+AD4- (the current ones), but they should be in the new version. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-And the F1 drivers do get a bit aggressive, so I don't find the WC AI +ADw-br+AD4- too unrealistic. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-One thing, everyone screams about +ACY-quot+ADs-realism+ACY-quot+ADs- in both these games. +ADw-br+AD4- Well, unless you've been in a F1 or IndyCar and gone around these +ADw-br+AD4- tracks, you can't really claim one way or the other. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-WC's physics +ADw-br+AD4- model could be the more realistic - it isn't, I'm sure, but who +ADw-br+AD4- knows? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-ICR fanatics remind me of Falcon 3.0 fanatics - screaming +ADw-br+AD4- about it's complete realism. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Well, I love F3 and played it to death, +ADw-br+AD4- but it's flight model isn't completely realistic - period. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It +ADw-br+AD4- doesn't mean you can't enjoy the game, but it's a fact, yet some +ADw-br+AD4- people refuse to admit it. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-The +ACo-main+ACo- problem for me is Papyrus's support of the product. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-They +ADw-br+AD4- have basically said they will not address any of the AI, printing, +ADw-br+AD4- etc, issues, all the while hyping the new tracks -+ACQ-30 for Indy and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACQ-30 for the remaining 7. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-They admit that ICR's AI has glaring +ADw-br+AD4- problems, but that it would take a complete rewrite to fix, and they +ADw-br+AD4- will address this in the +ACY-quot+ADs-new game+ACY-quot+ADs-. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I will say, ICR is AWESOME for me driving around the track, by +ADw-br+AD4- myself. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-A great +AF8-driving+AF8- sim. But as a +ACY-nbsp+ADsAXw-racing+AF8- sim, it leaves a +ADw-br+AD4- lot to be desired. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-This is where WC +ACY-quot+ADs-feels+ACY-quot+ADs- better, IMHO - which I +ADw-br+AD4- fully expect many to completely disagree with. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-To each his own. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I do hope WC / ICR / WC2 competition starts more companies doing +ADw-br+AD4- quality racing sims - the more competition, the better sims we'll +ADw-br+AD4- have. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-K. Beard +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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+ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Greg Cis+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Tue, 31 May 1994 09:44:37+ADw-/p+AD4-
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Well, I have the thrustmaster FCS, WCS II and ACM game card. No Formula +ADw-br+AD4- T1 steering wheel though. ICR is JUST as controlable as WC is. For me... +ADw-br+AD4- Are your calibrated values 150? Another thing that may not be all +ADw-br+AD4- that joystick related. ICR is very sensitive to the tire grip/temprature. +ADw-br+AD4- You may be spinning out on cold tires... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
WOW+ACEAIQAh- I was going to compare WC fanatics the the SVGA Air Warrior +ADw-br+AD4- purists+ACEAIQ- hahaha. Pretty funny. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
I too am a little upset about the lack of +ACo-PROPER+ACo- printouts or +ADw-br+AD4- SAVE GAME options. As for AI??? I think it is better than WC, +ADw-br+AD4- by a long shot. Proof for me, was when the back markers moved +ADw-br+AD4- over for me as I lapped them. I guess we dissagree here. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p7+ACIAPg-F1GP +ACY-amp+ADs- ICR? like trying to compare apples and oranges+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4-
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+ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Michael E. Carv+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Wed, 01 Jun 1994 04:39:52+ADw-/p+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +AFs-snip+AF0- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-Can you control the car well without a +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-Thrustmaster wheel on a road course? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-No. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Can you get statistics on +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-previous races, etc? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-No. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Nope. No printouts like F1GP. AND THAT SUCKS+ACEAIQ- There is noe reason not +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- to do this. I really don't understand why they apparently refuse to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- consider this. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-I have no problem using my joystick to get around road courses. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I have +ADw-br+AD4- an old CH Mach II and am using the game port on my PAS card. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-One can get a complete printout of a race just completed. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Drop down to +ADw-br+AD4- DOS and issue the command: +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- copy results.txt prn +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Anyway enough of this WC vs. ICR crap. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Both games are 2 different +ADw-br+AD4- attempts to simulate 2 different racing formulas. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Both have their +ADw-br+AD4- strengths and weaknesses. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Let's just say that they are DIFFERENT and +ADw-br+AD4- leave it at that+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACo- Michael E. Carver +ACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACo- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p8+ACIAPg-F1GP +ACY-amp+ADs- ICR? like trying to compare apples and oranges+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- : I've played ICR.. and F1GP... and.. it's like comparing an old atari game +ADw-br+AD4- : to a game in the arcade... there's no way F1GP comes anywhere near ICR in +ADw-br+AD4- : terms of fun, feel, look... everything+ACE- F1GP a mole on the face of auto +ADw-br+AD4- : sims+ACE- Don't get me wrong... i do hate f1gp+ACE- And i can't believe some ppl +ADw-br+AD4- : say it's better than ICR... do they like driving ROBOT cars, around +ADw-br+AD4- : almost flat plastic tracks? do they like the way the pit sucks them in, +ADw-br+AD4- : and how you have a bottomless fuel tank? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-: just thought i'd let you know... :) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-: damian +ADw-br+AD4- : -- +ADw-br+AD4- : --------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8---- +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- : --------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8--------+ACY-gt+ADs-8---- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Hi Damian, +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Do you ever try to play ICR on a PC 80386sx-16MHz only with pc-speaker? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-In order to play ICR, i had to take all kind of stuff, plus i don't have sound. +ADw-br+AD4- Why Papyrus don't have an option to shut off the replays? Why ICR don't have +ADw-br+AD4- sound with pc-speakers? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- +AF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfADw-wbr+AD4AXwBfAF8AXw- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Rui D. Melo. +ADw-br+AD4- Centro de Informatica da UNIVERSIDADE DE AVEIRO, PORTUGAL. +ADw-br+AD4- Curso de Engenharia Electronica e Telecomunicacoes. +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p9+ACIAPg-F1GP +ACY-amp+ADs- ICR? like trying to compare apples and oranges+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4-
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+ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Gavin Ada+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Wed, 01 Jun 1994 05:11:02+ADw-/p+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-knows? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-ICR fanatics remind me of Falcon 3.0 fanatics - screaming +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-about it's complete realism. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Well, I love F3 and played it to death, +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-but it's flight model isn't completely realistic - period. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-doesn't mean you can't enjoy the game, but it's a fact, yet some +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-people refuse to admit it. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-WOW+ACEAIQAh- I was going to compare WC fanatics the the SVGA Air Warrior +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-purists+ACEAIQ- hahaha. Pretty funny. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Hehe Greg. Why argue with us. We are correct. Always have been, always will+ACE- :) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4---- Gavin +ACY-quot+ADs-Visualize Whirled Peas+ACEAJg-quot+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--------------------------------+-------------------------------------- +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-William Turn+ADw-/dt+AD4-
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+ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p10+ACIAPg-F1GP +ACY-amp+ADs- ICR? like trying to compare apples and oranges+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4-
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+ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-William Turn+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Wed, 01 Jun 1994 20:41:33+ADw-/p+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-I'm using a Gravis Eliminator Gamecard w/ Gravis joystick. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-wouldn't say you can't control ICR, it's just too touchy. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I hate the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-line magnet in WC sometimes, but it is (to me) the lesser of two +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-evils compared to ICR. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I have heard comments from many others that +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-ICR just doesn't control right without the Thrustmaster. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Well, I have the thrustmaster FCS, WCS II and ACM game card. No Formula +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-T1 steering wheel though. ICR is JUST as controlable as WC is. For me... +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Are your calibrated values 150? Another thing that may not be all +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-that joystick related. ICR is very sensitive to the tire grip/temprature. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-You may be spinning out on cold tires... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Humm. I'm using a crappy cheap Quickshot Warrior 5 on a Gravis Ultrasound +ADw-br+AD4- (uncompensated - I can't be bothered..) with absoultely no problems +ADw-br+AD4- whatsoever on ICR with the range from 3 to +AH4-2000 :-) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I find the control great on ICr (although I don't think I'm supposed to +ADw-br+AD4- sling the brake balance 100+ACU- rear on longbeach +ACY-amp+ADs- use it as a handbrake :-) +ADw-br+AD4- Damn good fun though, but kills your laptime+ACE-) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Also, I find the ICr control +AF8-much+AF8- easier than F1gp - at a guess because +ADw-br+AD4- of the added feedback/ better model, which lets you 'know' when the +ADw-br+AD4- car is going to lose the back end or whatever... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Personally, I liked WC +AF8-a+AF8-lot+AF8- (even if it was too easy with steering help +ADw-br+AD4- on +ACY-amp+ADs- damned impossible with it off) until I got ICr - I haven't played it +ADw-br+AD4- since.... Can't stand F3 though - gimme Red Baron anyday+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Yup, I've had this too - It's really nice to come belting into an oval turn +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-amp+ADs- see the car in front move over for you (unlike WC, where the backmarkers +ADw-br+AD4- never even knew you were there). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-However, the 'spinning on the spot' under yellows does bug me ,as does the +ADw-br+AD4- way that computer drivers get a yellow when they go off, but you don't. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-So I'll stick with ICr thanks+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-William +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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