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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- One thing is for certain +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- the sound in GP2 is far superior to ICR2. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-What sound+ACE-? You cant hear the other cars in GP2, In ICR2, even via +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-modem, I can +ACY-nbsp+ADs-hear my buddy +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-changing his gears+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- -DG +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Just so as you don+AGA-t get the wrong idea I+AGA-m not hounding you +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- personally. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- I think the sound in GP2 is superior to ICR2. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-There are +ACY-nbsp+ADs-many more +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- little effects in GP2. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- There has already been discussion as to whether or not you be able to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- hear another engine through earplugs, a helmet and 700 odd HP +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- screaming away a few feet from your head. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Would being able to hear +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- another car+AGA-s gearshift be very realistic? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-I thought Damon Hill put an end to this argument in the post-race +ADw-br+AD4- interview in Suzuka, when he commented Berger's wild passing attempt: +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-quot+ADs-I didn't see Gerhard but I could hear him being very close+ACY-quot+ADs- or +ADw-br+AD4- something on those lines. He +ACo-definately+ACo- heard Berger's engine. +ADw-br+AD4- So, yes, I thing hearing another car's gearshift VERY realistic+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- Henrikki (Hena) Hakkanen +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Tel. +358-(9)0-345 5538 +ADw-br+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- +ADw-br+AD4- -------------------------------------------------------------- +ADw-br+AD4- Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are mine and does not +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- necessarily reflect those of my employer+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- +ADw-br+AD4- -------------------------------------------------------------- +ADw-br+AD4- Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are mine and does not +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- necessarily reflect those of my employer+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-Actually, at Germany, Damon Hill said he could hear berger's engine let go, +ADw-br+AD4- kind of a ripping sound. I feel the sound in ICR2 is very VERY good, but +ADw-br+AD4- not having GP2 myself, I could not make a camparison, but it's justt about +ADw-br+AD4- having the right +ACY-quot+ADs-opps engines heard+ACY-quot+ADs- option set right. I have mine set at +ADw-br+AD4- 10+ACU- to simulate this the best way. +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- True, but that is part of racing against human opponents. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-One current +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- formula 1 driver (can+AGA-t remember who, might have been JV) said after a +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- while you start to assosciate certain strengths and weaknesses with +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- certain cars. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The same thing will happen while modem racing, if you +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- race the same person enough. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It certainly did while I used to race +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- linked on F1GP (Ross, how many times was it I passed you into turn 1 +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- at Interlagos? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Or into Tosa?). +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Similarly when you race someone you +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- haven+AGA-t raced before you+AGA-re not quite sure what they will do. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I guess +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- that makes it very realistic then. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Yes tis' true to a degree, But Not being able to see the other cars, +ADw-br+AD4- much less being able +ADw-br+AD4- to hear them, makes the game harder to race against a human opponents. +ADw-br+AD4- True,I know where +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-my veteran ICR2 modem buddy likes to attempt to make a pass, But in GP2 +ADw-br+AD4- you dont have any +ADw-br+AD4- parifial vision as you do in real F1 and with no sound of the other cars +ADw-br+AD4- or rear view mirrors of those +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-that reflect ICR2, your kinda left, well, in a fog+ACE- If network +ADw-br+AD4- capabilities ever come +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-about, which I'm sure they will ,then we need something to help in +ADw-br+AD4- knowing where the other +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-cars are on the track, i.e. Hawaii, because we will always be racing +ADw-br+AD4- against different people +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-and therefore will be left to only +ACY-quot+ADs-guess+ACY-quot+ADs- what there next action will +ADw-br+AD4- be on the track. +ADw-br+AD4- I want to be able to race different competition and would like to have +ADw-br+AD4- some type of help when staring +ADw-br+AD4- at a monitor that only gives a +ACY-quot+ADs-one perspective+ACY-quot+ADs- view, to make up the +ADw-br+AD4- perif and G force hat real drivers have. +ADw-br+AD4- And yes I will still argue that they DO hear the other cars+ACE- Anyone +ADw-br+AD4- thats ever raced any car, I think, +ADw-br+AD4- can verify that. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Their very different, except that they've both have 4 +ADw-br+AD4- wheels, a steering wheel, an engine and both cars are LOUD+ACEAIQ- I wasnt +ADw-br+AD4- comparing the two in any other aspect. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Evidently, You personally never raced anything but a simulator. +ADw-br+AD4- The helmets are the same in just about all motor sports. Sure, their +ADw-br+AD4- customised +ADw-br+AD4- to fit F1 drivers heads and their top of the line, but there are no +ADw-br+AD4- special +ACY-quot+ADs-Sound proof+ACY-quot+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- adapters in their helmets, to think so would be silly+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs-The comments Hill +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Well, I'm really confused now+ACE- Whats your point? My statement is that +ADw-br+AD4- You CAN hear the other cars in real F1 and not in GP2, You just retyped +ADw-br+AD4- Hill's statement that he DID hear the other car, I never said he could +ADw-br+AD4- distinquish +ADw-br+AD4- between who's engine it was+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs-After Suzuka Hill categorically stated that he hardly +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Wake up and read your own posts. He stated +ACY-quot+ADs-hardly+ACY-quot+ADs-. Sounds like a very +ADw-br+AD4- gray area. Very hard to understand what your trying to imply. I didnt +ADw-br+AD4- say +ADw-br+AD4- that F1 drivers could hear the other cars clear as a bell. They do hear +ADw-br+AD4- them +ADw-br+AD4- when their side by side though and it helps them to be aware of getting +ADw-br+AD4- collected. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
An impractable statement, so no need to reply. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Or +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Well I dont think the world champion is any of these+ACE- But I dont +ADw-br+AD4- understand how +ADw-br+AD4- you could reply to my post when Hill says in one statement he could hear +ADw-br+AD4- the other engine +ADw-br+AD4- and then he hardly ever hears the other cars. In both statements from +ADw-br+AD4- him its +ADw-br+AD4- sound like he heard the other car's engine in one way or the other. So +ADw-br+AD4- whats YOUR point? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-David Gary +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Obviously they didn't because you couldn't hear him ... (see my previous +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- post). In real life drivers +ACo-CAN+ACo- hear other cars. On another occation, +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- in Hockenheim, Hill said that he thought he heard something was wrong +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- with Berger's engine just before it let go ... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Excuss me, Hena. But I think you are wrong. Damon stated that he had +ADw-br+AD4- heard some unusual sound and he hopes was not his engine. In fact was +ADw-br+AD4- Bergers engine dying two laps before finishing the race. But the fact +ADw-br+AD4- is Damon said in the posterior press-conference that this was the only +ADw-br+AD4- time he had heard an engine other than his own cars. +ADw-br+AD4- You can unbelieve me when I say that F1 drivers dont hear anothers +ADw-br+AD4- motors but I hope you trust Damon. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-By canci (nostromo Racing Team) +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- There has already been discussion as to whether or not you be able to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- hear another engine through earplugs, a helmet and 700 odd HP +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- screaming away a few feet from your head. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Would being able to hear +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- another car+AGA-s gearshift be very realistic? +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-I thought Damon Hill put an end to this argument in the post-race +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-interview in Suzuka, when he commented Berger's wild passing attempt: +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-quot+ADs-I didn't see Gerhard but I could hear him being very close+ACY-quot+ADs- or +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-something on those lines. He +ACo-definately+ACo- heard Berger's engine. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-So, yes, I thing hearing another car's gearshift VERY realistic+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-I checked about the interview and you are right, Hill +ACY-nbsp+ADsAXw-did+AF8- hear +ADw-br+AD4- Berger+AGA-s engine. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-But (there alwys is one, isn+AGA-t there?) the actual +ADw-br+AD4- quote Hill gave was +ACY-quot+ADs-I heard another engine, for the first time since +ADw-br+AD4- my motorbike racing days.+ACY-quot+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Considering how long he has been with +ADw-br+AD4- Williams and then the time (don+AGA-t know how long) he spent in lower +ADw-br+AD4- formulas you+AGA-d have to conclude that hearing another car+AGA-s engine is a +ADw-br+AD4- very rare occurance. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-However, after Berger+AGA-s retirement in Germany +ADw-br+AD4- Hill said +ACY-quot+ADs-as we accelerated out of the first chicane, I heard a +ADw-br+AD4- strange noise from one of our engines+ACY-quot+ADs-. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-As it was Berger+AGA-s engine +ADw-br+AD4- that blew up it appears it was the second time Hill had heard another +ADw-br+AD4- engine. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It still seems unusual to hear another engine, so on the +ADw-br+AD4- point of realism I disagree with you. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Quotes taken from Autosport. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Mark +ADw-br+AD4- +AF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBf- +ADw-br+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-quot+ADs-..every lap I think +AGA-Oh bollocks+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- This is dreadful..+AGAAJg-quot+ADs- Damon Hill +ADw-br+AD4- +AF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- But the fact +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- is Damon said in the posterior press-conference that this was the only +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- time he had heard an engine other than his own cars. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Damon's statement was irelevent to the fact that you can hear other +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-cars. Its a fact that you can hear the other cars. I used to race carts +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-and with all the head gear on(including earplugs) I was still able to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-hear the other carts quite clearly. In F1 the engines are just as loud +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-if not louder than the chainsaw engines we ran with. Please dont take +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-one statement outa context. In Germany, Damon stated afterward he heard +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-what he thought was an engine go and said he hoped it was Berger's (the leader). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-If Damon has said that it was the first time he heared an engine other +ADw-br+AD4- than his own, I think you should believe that. It could well be that +ADw-br+AD4- Bergers engine blew up with a lot of extra noise. He may well have +ADw-br+AD4- heared that, but under normal circumstances you don't hear the engine +ADw-br+AD4- of an opponent. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Arnold +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- But the fact +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- is Damon said in the posterior press-conference that this was the only +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- time he had heard an engine other than his own cars. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-Damon's statement was irelevent to the fact that you can hear other +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-cars. Its a fact that you can hear the other cars. I used to race carts +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-and with all the head gear on(including earplugs) I was still able to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-hear the other carts quite clearly. In F1 the engines are just as loud +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-if not louder than the chainsaw engines we ran with. Please dont take +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-one statement outa context. In Germany, Damon stated afterward he heard +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-what he thought was an engine go and said he hoped it was Berger's (the leader). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- If Damon has said that it was the first time he heared an engine other +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- than his own, I think you should believe that. It could well be that +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Bergers engine blew up with a lot of extra noise. He may well have +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- heared that, but under normal circumstances you don't hear the engine +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- of an opponent. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-He definately heard Berger in Suzuka, when Berger tried to overtake +ADw-br+AD4- him, nearly cutting his front wing off. Damon said that he didn't see +ADw-br+AD4- Berger in his mirrors but heard that he was close. Maybe poor old +ADw-br+AD4- Damon's hearing is getting better with age ... But the fact remains: +ADw-br+AD4- Drivers CAN hear other cars+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- Henrikki (Hena) Hakkanen +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Tel. +358-(9)0-345 5538 +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- The comparison of Indy to a Phantom, and F1 to a Falcon +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- is the best damn comparison I have heard yet, and not +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-I agree, and I would go a step further. I would say that an Indy +ADw-br+AD4- Car can be easily compared to my friend Andrea, while F1 cars are +ADw-br+AD4- a bit more like Massimo+ADs- now you all know Andrea and Massimo, don't +ADw-br+AD4- you? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-:) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Bye, +ADw-br+AD4- Luca +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Hill stated on two occasions during the 1996 season that he heard another +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- engine (in one case he wasn't sure that it was another car's engine and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- not his own). On both occasions he considered it suffiently significant +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- that he +AF8-had+AF8- heard the engines. If he could hear them every race, it +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- wouldn't have been as worth mentioning. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Maybe the 'ole chap IS going deaf, I mean how can you have thousands of +ADw-br+AD4- hours in +ADw-br+AD4- a F1 car and not be able to distinguish your own engine from another?+ACEAIQ- +ADw-br+AD4- Maybe +ADw-br+AD4- the Englishman had to much champaine on the podium before the press +ADw-br+AD4- conference+ACE-(grin) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
What noises?+ACE- Theres NO noise at all+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- Again I will disagree, One fact is that Hill does not get passed very +ADw-br+AD4- much if at all and +ADw-br+AD4- therefore he cannot hear another's engine, But, I dont understand, +ADw-br+AD4- because I heard the press conference +ADw-br+AD4- at Germany last season and Hill clearly stated that he heard what he +ADw-br+AD4- thought was Bergers engine go+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- Berger was several car lengths in front of him when this happened so, +ADw-br+AD4- there is no way in hell he cant +ADw-br+AD4- hear a Formula engine blaring at 14000 rpm right beside him+ACE- Again, with +ADw-br+AD4- absolutely NO sound what so ever from the other cars in GP2 IT is most +ADw-br+AD4- UNREALISTIC+ACEAIQ- (this is a pretty silly debate, dont you think?+ACE-) +ACY-nbsp+ADs- -DG +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Me too, but most important I hope they create a acceptable modem link +ADw-br+AD4- patch+ACEAIQ- Who wants to race a bunch +ADw-br+AD4- of unrealistic and +ACY-quot+ADs-predictable+ACY-quot+ADs- AI?+ACEAIQ- INTERACTION is everything+ACEAIQ- and +ADw-br+AD4- for Micrprose to obtain a modem link +ADw-br+AD4- from a game that wasnt designed to handle the communications from GP2's +ADw-br+AD4- program is UNACCEPTABLE and I will +ADw-br+AD4- deter anyone away from purchasing this SIM that plans on playing +ADw-br+AD4- modem+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- -DG +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ACY-lt+ADs-snip+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-True, but that is part of racing against human opponents. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-One current +ADw-br+AD4- formula 1 driver (can+AGA-t remember who, might have been JV) said after a +ADw-br+AD4- while you start to assosciate certain strengths and weaknesses with +ADw-br+AD4- certain cars. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The same thing will happen while modem racing, if you +ADw-br+AD4- race the same person enough. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It certainly did while I used to race +ADw-br+AD4- linked on F1GP (Ross, how many times was it I passed you into turn 1 +ADw-br+AD4- at Interlagos? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Or into Tosa?). +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Similarly when you race someone you +ADw-br+AD4- haven+AGA-t raced before you+AGA-re not quite sure what they will do. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I guess +ADw-br+AD4- that makes it very realistic then. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-and then from other posts +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Right, I get the point that you+AGA-ve raced carts and could hear the +ADw-br+AD4- other engines in that discipline. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Still, unless I+AGA-ve missed something +ADw-br+AD4- rather major a cart isn+AGA-t quite the same as a formula 1 car. +ADw-br+AD4- Therefore just because you can hear another engine while carting it +ADw-br+AD4- doesn+AGA-t mean that you can while driving an F1 car. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The comments Hill +ADw-br+AD4- made after Hockenheim seem to imply more than anything that it is +ADw-br+AD4- almost impossible to tell one engine from the other (he said +ACY-quot+ADs-as we +ADw-br+AD4- accelerated out of the first chicane, I heard a strange noise from one +ADw-br+AD4- of our engines+ACY-quot+ADs-), not that he could clearly distinguish Bergers engine +ADw-br+AD4- from his own. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-After Suzuka Hill categorically stated that he hardly +ADw-br+AD4- ever hears another car+AGA-s engine in formula 1. +ADw-br+AD4- Now let me get this right, fisrt we are not to +ACY-quot+ADs-take one statement +ADw-br+AD4- outa context+ACY-quot+ADs- but then when a comment from the +AF8-same+AF8- driver +ADw-br+AD4- supposedly supports your point then we are to read things into it? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I +ADw-br+AD4- don+AGA-t think your arguments support you point on this one. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-If you go +ADw-br+AD4- away, drive a formula one car for several years and +AF8-then+AF8- tell me you +ADw-br+AD4- can hear another engine in that discipline I+AGA-ll believe you. Or +ADw-br+AD4- alternatively you could try showing me conclusive proof that Damon +ADw-br+AD4- Hill is deaf/a compulsive liar/suffering from amnesia/doesn+AGA-t know +ADw-br+AD4- what he+AGA-s talking about. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Up until then I think I+AGA-ll believe Damon on +ADw-br+AD4- this one. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Mark +ADw-br+AD4- +AF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBf- +ADw-br+AD4-
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PMFJI +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Hill stated on two occasions during the 1996 season that he heard another +ADw-br+AD4- engine (in one case he wasn't sure that it was another car's engine and +ADw-br+AD4- not his own). On both occasions he considered it suffiently significant +ADw-br+AD4- that he +AF8-had+AF8- heard the engines. If he could hear them every race, it +ADw-br+AD4- wouldn't have been as worth mentioning. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-At the obvious risk of putting words in Hill's mouth one implication of +ADw-br+AD4- his statements might be that he only heard two other engines throughout +ADw-br+AD4- the whole season - probably approx 2500 miles of racing for Hill. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-The evidence seems to point that GP2's handling of other engine noises is +ADw-br+AD4- mostly realistic. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AXw-However+AF8- in any future network upgrade, I would support the inclusion of +ADw-br+AD4- other cars' engines as it would make driving in traffic much safer (and +ADw-br+AD4- therefore more exciting). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Cheers, +ADw-br+AD4- Richard +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-Okay, I didn+AGA-t really put my point across in an understandable manner. +ADw-br+AD4- I+AGA-l +ACY-nbsp+ADs-try and clear things up. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+ACY-lt+ADs-snipped stuff about mirrors+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
I was saying that because you can hear the engine in one it doesn+AGA-t +ADw-br+AD4- always follow that you can hear the engine in the other (see below, I +ADw-br+AD4- thought that was the one bit that +AF8-was+AF8- clear). +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I didn+AGA-t mean to +ADw-br+AD4- imply you couldn+AGA-t tell the difference between the two :-) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
True and I wish I did have the opportunity to drive racing +ADw-br+AD4- cars/carts/bikes/sidecars (anything that will go some). +ACY-nbsp+ADs-However +ADw-br+AD4- surely this discussion isn+AGA-t about what I have or have not driven, +ADw-br+AD4- more about what you and I (and anyone else who cares to participate) +ADw-br+AD4- would perceive to be realistic judging by Damon Hill+AGA-s comments after +ADw-br+AD4- Suzuka and Hockenheim (and in this instance, your own experiences). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
I was trying to imply that the engines and driver surroundings are +ADw-br+AD4- different, not the helmets or earplugs etc. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+ACY-lt+ADs-snip+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- The point was for all Hill knew he could have been hearing his own +ADw-br+AD4- engine. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It seems that most people have assumed that the noise came +ADw-br+AD4- from Berger+AGA-s engine. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It is possible that the noise actually came +ADw-br+AD4- from Hill+AGA-s engine. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-He implies that he didn+AGA-t hear Berger+AGA-s engine +ADw-br+AD4- clearly which is what I think you are asking to be able to do in GP2. +ADw-br+AD4- Please correct me if I+AGA-ve got this wrong. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Damn, I+AGA-ve been typing randomly in my sleep again +ADs--) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Hardly in this case means once (possibly twice) in several full +ADw-br+AD4- seasons driving for Williams, a couple of races for Brabham (or +ADw-br+AD4- qualifying sessions?) and whatever years he spent in lower formulae. +ADw-br+AD4- The reason I cite the two examples (even though they could +AF8-appear+AF8- to +ADw-br+AD4- work against my side of the discussion) is because in one Hill implies +ADw-br+AD4- he couldn+AGA-t distinguish Berger+AGA-s engine from his own +ACY-nbsp+ADs-and in the other +ADw-br+AD4- he clearly says that it was the+ACoAKgAq-time he had heard another engine +ADw-br+AD4- since his motorcycle racing days. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Ergo, if you care to consider them, +ADw-br+AD4- the quotes support my point. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I was saying as Hill thinks/says it is +ADw-br+AD4- so unusual to hear another engine while driving an F1 car it would be +ADw-br+AD4- unrealistic to hear other engines all the time (or even regularly) in +ADw-br+AD4- GP2. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
Ah. so you +AF8-did+AF8- understand one bit :-) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-p+AD4-
does +ACY-quot+ADs-dont understand why Damon woulda said that, maybe hes going +ADw-br+AD4- deaf. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- -DG+ACY-quot+ADs- sound familiar? (Message-ID: +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- turn to be confused +ADs--) +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Maybe even +ACY-quot+ADs-Is the Englishman starting to +ADw-br+AD4- get his hearing back? +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs--DG+ACY-quot+ADs- (Message-ID: +ADw-br+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- realise going deaf and being deaf aren+AGA-t quite the same. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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What was it you told me to do? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Was it +ACY-quot+ADs-Wake up and read your own +ADw-br+AD4- posts+ACY-quot+ADs-? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-He is saying that he heard the engine on one occasion and possibly did +ADw-br+AD4- on the other but see above for the point (paragraph begins Hardly, +ADw-br+AD4- ends GP2). +ACY-nbsp+ADs-That+AGA-s +AF8-twice+AF8- in a +AF8-minimum of four seasons+AF8-. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The fact +ADw-br+AD4- that Hill saw fit to mention hearing the engines on these occasions +ADw-br+AD4- would indicate to me that it is an unusual occurance and therefore it +ADw-br+AD4- is realistic that you don+AGA-t hear other engines in GP2 (if he hears +ADw-br+AD4- engines all the time why would he choose to draw attention to the fact +ADw-br+AD4- that he heard them on these occasions?). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Once again, my point is I THINK IT WOULD BE UNREALISTIC TO HEAR OTHER +ADw-br+AD4- ENGINES IN GP2. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Have I made myself clear now? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-FWIW I too would like to be able to hear the car+AGA-s engines to make +ADw-br+AD4- driving in traffic that bit safer. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I+AGA-m just saying that if you could +ADw-br+AD4- I think it would be unrealistic. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-As a seperate point, is it simpy a coincidence that on both of these +ADw-br+AD4- occasions Gerhard Berger was the other driver involved? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Is the +ADw-br+AD4- Renault louder than the other engines? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Could this account for why +ADw-br+AD4- Hill doesn+AGA-t (normally) hear other engines? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I think I+AGA-ll go and lay down now before I burst an artery +ADs--) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Mark +ADw-br+AD4- +AF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBf- +ADw-br+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-quot+ADs-..every lap I think +AGA-Oh bollocks+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- This is dreadful..+AGAAJg-quot+ADs- Damon Hill +ADw-br+AD4- +AF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ACY-lt+ADs-g+ACY-gt+ADs- and it was also done to death several months ago. Conclusion then was +ADw-br+AD4- that the way other engines were modelled was realistic in all but +ADw-br+AD4- exceptional circumstances +ACY-lt+ADs-bg+ACY-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Cheers, +ADw-br+AD4- Richard +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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