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Thu, 06 Jan 2022 18:00:29 --+AD4APA-h1 class+AD0AIg-linkback+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIg-https://rec-autos-simulators.net/+ACIAPg-rec.autos.simulators+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h1+AD4- +ADw-h2 class+AD0AIg-topic-title+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/h2+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-action-bar top+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-pagination+ACIAPg- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p1+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile1+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-MyronE18+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content1+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p1+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-MyronE18+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Fri, 17 Jun 1994 02:42:06+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Is it possible to get around the road courses in any kind of decent +ADw-br+AD4- time with the +ADw-br+AD4- autoshift and autobrake functions. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The car slips all the way into +ADw-br+AD4- first if any brake +ADw-br+AD4- is applied. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Same if I let up on the throttle for too long. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p2+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile2+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Joao Sil+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content2+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p2+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Joao Sil+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:10:59+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Is it possible to get around the road courses in any kind of decent +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-time with the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-autoshift and autobrake functions. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The car slips all the way into +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-first if any brake +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-is applied. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Same if I let up on the throttle for too long. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-I do quite well on Longbeach with autoshift ON, but only with autobraking OFF. +ADw-br+AD4- The autoshifting helps me to keep from blowing the engine on the downshifts, +ADw-br+AD4- but if I use autobraking I lose my major advantage, which is being able to +ADw-br+AD4- brake late into the corners and outdo the computer drivers. One of these days +ADw-br+AD4- I am going to spend some time on learning to do my own shifting but for now I +ADw-br+AD4- pretend that I am running with a F1 automatic transmission +ADsAXg-) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Good Racing, +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-- Joao +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p3+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile3+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Kenneth Bo Lars+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content3+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p3+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Kenneth Bo Lars+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Sat, 18 Jun 1994 00:18:05+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-Is it possible to get around the road courses in any kind of decent +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-time with the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-autoshift and autobrake functions. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The car slips all the way into +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-first if any brake +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-is applied. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Same if I let up on the throttle for too long. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-I do quite well on Longbeach with autoshift ON, but only with autobraking OFF. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-The autoshifting helps me to keep from blowing the engine on the downshifts, +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-but if I use autobraking I lose my major advantage, which is being able to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-brake late into the corners and outdo the computer drivers. One of these days +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-I am going to spend some time on learning to do my own shifting but for now I +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-pretend that I am running with a F1 automatic transmission +ADsAXg-) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-I've tried auto-shifting occationally but find it too restrictive. IMO its +ADw-br+AD4- actually easier with manual shifting as you can use the gears for braking +ADw-br+AD4- and apply the brakes later. This way you slide less and go faster. I +ADw-br+AD4- find it very important how you set up the controls. You have to find out +ADw-br+AD4- what suits you best. I use the stick for steering, accelerator and brakes+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- and the two buttons for gear shift. It's a bit difficult to steer and brake +ADw-br+AD4- at the same time, but I guess you can't have everything :-) As a reference +ADw-br+AD4- I do Long Beach in 54.410 (without any tangling). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Cheers, +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Kenneth +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p4+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile4+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Peter Burk+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content4+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p4+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Peter Burk+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Fri, 17 Jun 1994 22:54:32+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Subject: Re: Road courses and autoshifting and braking +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- Date: 16 Jun 94 15:18:05 GMT +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-I've tried auto-shifting occationally but find it too restrictive. IMO +ADw-br+AD4- its +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-actually easier with manual shifting as you can use the gears for braking +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-and apply the brakes later. This way you slide less and go faster. I +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-find it very important how you set up the controls. You have to find out +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-what suits you best. I use the stick for steering, accelerator and +ADw-br+AD4- brakes+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-and the two buttons for gear shift. It's a bit difficult to steer and +ADw-br+AD4- brake +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-at the same time, but I guess you can't have everything :-) As a +ADw-br+AD4- reference +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-I do Long Beach in 54.410 (without any tangling). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-The only place uI have used manual shifting is in Indianapolis. In LB I +ADw-br+AD4- run +ADw-br+AD4- consistenly in the 55s and lower range with Autoshift. My best is +ADw-br+AD4- somewhere +ADw-br+AD4- in the low 53s range, but with some slight wall contact. I don't think it +ADw-br+AD4- makes any difference in LB, although in Laguna it would be very +ADw-br+AD4- beneficial at +ADw-br+AD4- the left turn before it goes uphill - I am always in 5th or 6th, although +ADw-br+AD4- 3rd +ADw-br+AD4- or 2nd would be best. In Indy I use it to have more torque in turn 2 and +ADw-br+AD4- 4, +ADw-br+AD4- especially when traffic slows me down. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Auto-braking? ehhh no way+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p5+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile5+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Chong +ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content5+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p5+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Chong +ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Sat, 18 Jun 1994 14:18:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-This is a test. +ADw-br+AD4- This is only a test. +ADw-br+AD4- Had this been an actual emergency +ADw-br+AD4- we would have fled in terror +ADw-br+AD4- and you would not have been informed +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p6+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile6+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Thomas B. Fi+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content6+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p6+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Thomas B. Fi+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Sat, 18 Jun 1994 22:17:32+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPgAm-gt+ADs-I've tried auto-shifting occationally but find it too restrictive. IMO its +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-actually easier with manual shifting as you can use the gears for braking +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-and apply the brakes later. This way you slide less and go faster. I +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-find it very important how you set up the controls. You have to find out +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-what suits you best. I use the stick for steering, accelerator and brakes+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-and the two buttons for gear shift. It's a bit difficult to steer and brake +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-at the same time, but I guess you can't have everything :-) As a reference +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-I do Long Beach in 54.410 (without any tangling). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Cheers, +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Kenneth +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-In racing school they teach you explicitly not to use gearing +ACY-nbsp+ADs-for braking. +ADw-br+AD4- The drag of the engine can slow you down, but not nearly as effectively +ADw-br+AD4- as using the brakes. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The idea is that if you are using gears for braking +ADw-br+AD4- then you are not achieving maximum speeds upto the corners...you are +ADw-br+AD4- backing out sooner to allow for the gearing slow down effect instead of +ADw-br+AD4- running up to the corner and braking at the optimal time. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Of course, how effective ICR is at representing reality could change this. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I've run 1:07.396 at Laguna Seca with auto-shifting. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Not having to be +ADw-br+AD4- bothered with shifting is worth it for me. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4------------------------------------------------------------------------- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- Mayo Clinic +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- If you don't know where +AHw- Voice: (507) 266-4261 +ADw-br+AD4- 200 First Street SW +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw-you're going you'll never+AHw- FAX: +ACY-nbsp+ADs- (507) 284-0796 +ADw-br+AD4- Mail Stop 751 Siebens +AHw- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- get there. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- +ADw-br+AD4- Rochester, MN +ACY-nbsp+ADs-55905 +ACY-nbsp+ADsAKw------------------------- +ADw-br+AD4- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p7+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile7+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Kenneth Bo Lars+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content7+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p7+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Kenneth Bo Lars+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Sun, 19 Jun 1994 21:07:10+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- Well, I guess auto-shifting works for everyone except me :-) Gotta try it +ADw-br+AD4- out some more, +ACo-but+ACo- its fun to blow your engine sometimes. Anyway I +ADw-br+AD4- did not compare my ICR technique to my long experience as a real-life F1 +ADw-br+AD4- driver (just kiddin'). I just feel the gearing down in ICR has an ABS +ADw-br+AD4- effect. Maybe I just don't know how to apply the right amount of brakes. +ADw-br+AD4- Its more like on/off. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Out of curiosity. If you don't use the gears for braking (we are talking +ADw-br+AD4- milliseconds here) in real-life when +ACo-do+ACo- you gear down? You have to be +ADw-br+AD4- in the right gear when you reach the apex. And with electronic shifting +ADw-br+AD4- you don't have a clutch do you? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- 1:06:941 here. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Kenneth +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p8+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile8+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Stephen Fergus+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content8+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p8+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Stephen Fergus+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Mon, 20 Jun 1994 03:32:34+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- Out of curiosity. If you don't use the gears for braking (we are talking +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- milliseconds here) in real-life when +ACo-do+ACo- you gear down? You have to be +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- in the right gear when you reach the apex. And with electronic shifting +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- you don't have a clutch do you? +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-You shift down as you're braking. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It's that sacred (and misnamed) art of heel-and +ADw-br+AD4- toe downshifting. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-You're flat on the gas approaching the corner. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-At your braking point +ADw-br+AD4- you get on the brakes with the left half of your right foot, clutch in with your left +ADw-br+AD4- foot, blip the throttle with the right side of your right foot (while still maintaining +ADw-br+AD4- brake pressure) to bring the revs up for the downshift, then downshift, clutch out, +ADw-br+AD4- off the brakes and onto the gas at the apex. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Yee-haaa. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-(note: with non-synchro +ADw-br+AD4- racing gearboxes - crash boxes - there is an extra clutch out/in as you pass through +ADw-br+AD4- neutral) +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Same applies to my car with the crunchy 2nd gear synchros+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Sure feels +ADw-br+AD4- sweet when you finaly get the hang of it... and you'll amaze your friends who +ADw-br+AD4- always thought manual transmission cars jerked and bucked. +ADw-br+AD4- -- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Stephen Ferguson +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-quot+ADs-There's a madness to my method+ACY-quot+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p9+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile9+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Thomas B. Fi+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content9+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p9+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Thomas B. Fi+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Wed, 22 Jun 1994 03:43:55+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- New time this weekend...1:05:639 +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Stephen's response regarding when you do downshift is right on the mark. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The way I look +ADw-br+AD4- at it is a two step process with clutch in, gear out, clutch out, blip throttle, clutch in, +ADw-br+AD4- gear down, clutch out. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-You can also do it by matching revs which is clutch in, gear out, +ADw-br+AD4- blip throttle to match revs, gear down, clutch out. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-A much quicker downshift results but +ADw-br+AD4- it takes much more experience (or luck). +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I learned race car driving with Skip Barber which +ADw-br+AD4- teaches you the first method. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I was able to pick up the second method after a day of +ADw-br+AD4- driving Skip's Formula Ford cars...I don't know if they are easier to match revs with or +ADw-br+AD4- not, but it just came naturally (because it was easier and I am naturally lazy....). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Tom. +ADw-br+AD4- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- Mayo Clinic +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw- If you don't know where +AHw- Voice: (507) 266-4261 +ADw-br+AD4- 200 First Street SW +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +AHw-you're going you'll never+AHw- FAX: +ACY-nbsp+ADs- (507) 284-0796 +ADw-br+AD4- Mail Stop 751 Siebens +AHw- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- get there. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAfA- +ADw-br+AD4- Rochester, MN +ACY-nbsp+ADs-55905 +ACY-nbsp+ADsAKw------------------------- +ADw-br+AD4- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p10+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile10+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Michael E. Carv+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content10+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p10+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Michael E. Carv+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:59:06+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- One of the tricks to get auto-shifting working for you (as opposed to +ADw-br+AD4- working against you), is to CAREFULLY pick your gear ratios. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Find the +ADw-br+AD4- corners where you would normally shift down (but auto-shift doesn't) and +ADw-br+AD4- tweak the gearing for those corners. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-This way you can force the computer +ADw-br+AD4- to shift down for you. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Since I am still learning to drive road courses I need booth hands on the +ADw-br+AD4- wheel. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-After my rookie season is over I'll ask the mechanics to install +ADw-br+AD4- a gear shift lever :-) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACo- Michael E. Carver +ACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACo- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0AJg-lt+ADsAWw- /./. +ACY-nbsp+ADsAWw-- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-lt+ADs- +AF0AJg-gt+ADsAPQ--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0--+AD0- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p11+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile11+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Andrew S+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content11+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p11+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Andrew S+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:04:10+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4- I recently got the Trustmaster T1 driving equipment, with the gearstick. +ADw-br+AD4- So now I always do manual gears, and I have to say it really does add a +ADw-br+AD4- lot to the game, in fact it's almost like different game. +ADw-br+AD4- I love being able to drop it down one gear to charge up the hill at +ADw-br+AD4- Laguna Seca, and as a result I peak at 151mph at the top of the hill +ADw-br+AD4- before the corkscrew, (previously with autoi gears I was getting 147mph), +ADw-br+AD4- and my laptime has gone from 1:09 with auto gearing, to a best lap of +ADw-br+AD4- 1:05.698. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p12+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile12+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Michael Corrig+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content12+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p12+ACIAPg-Road courses and autoshifting and braking+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Michael Corrig+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Thu, 23 Jun 1994 00:42:37+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-I've run 1:07.396 at Laguna Seca with auto-shifting. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Not having to be +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-bothered with shifting is worth it for me. +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- 1:06:941 here. +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I've gotten down to 1:06:571 at Laguna with auto-shifting. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-A friend of mine did some +ADw-br+AD4- experiments comparing auto-shifting to manual-shifting and he believes that he can get +ADw-br+AD4- through the turn at the top of the hill (corkscrew) and the last turn faster with +ADw-br+AD4- manual-shifting. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-BTW - 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