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Fri, 07 Jan 2022 03:45:13 --+AD4APA-h1 class+AD0AIg-linkback+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIg-https://rec-autos-simulators.net/+ACIAPg-rec.autos.simulators+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h1+AD4- +ADw-h2 class+AD0AIg-topic-title+ACIAPg-More Consumer Beta Testing+ADw-/h2+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-action-bar top+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-pagination+ACIAPg- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p1+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile1+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Jeff Vince+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content1+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p1+ACIAPg-More Consumer Beta Testing+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Jeff Vince+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Mon, 15 Dec 1997 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-This is a post from the flight-sim group. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Change a few names and +ADw-br+AD4- it sounds like a perfect description of the MS:CPR situation. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4----------- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim +ADw-br+AD4- Subject: Paid to Beta test+ACE- Is this the future of +ACoAKgAq- companies? +ADw-br+AD4- Date: 14 Dec 1997 06:06:05 GMT +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-For those looking for a financial opportunity this is not the post you +ADw-br+AD4- are looking for+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-The title of this post is refering to the recent practice of just +ADw-br+AD4- selling the product and then getting the customers to help test and +ADw-br+AD4- fix it+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Case in point, Red Baron2. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I have looked forward to this title for nearly 2 years now. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Since +ADw-br+AD4- that era of aviation has been my hobby for over 35 years and seeing as +ADw-br+AD4- RB1 was SOOOO enjoyable the anticipation for this game was positively +ADw-br+AD4- excruiating as it was delayed time and again. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-But now we have finally gotten the game. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Paid a pretty penny for it +ADw-br+AD4- too+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I've been a beta tester on three other flight sims and have seen how +ADw-br+AD4- quickly a large tester base can find even the most innocuous errors. +ADw-br+AD4- Simply because a large number of differant people are doing a variety +ADw-br+AD4- of differant things on widely diverse hardware. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Most companies get thier testers together, give them the software and +ADw-br+AD4- then let these people tell them what doesn't work. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Then they fix it +ADw-br+AD4- all and box the finished product and sell it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-( the ususal +ADw-br+AD4- compensation to the testers is a free copy of the finished product). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-However Sierra seems to be doing it with a slight twist. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-They boxed +ADw-br+AD4- the product( Just in time for Christmas+ACE-) +ACY-nbsp+ADs-and sold it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Now we are +ADw-br+AD4- testing it and telling them all of the things that don't work so they +ADw-br+AD4- can make a patch ( which they will be nice enough to D/L to us for +ADw-br+AD4- free) . From what I have seen on their boards and from my own +ADw-br+AD4- experience, at least 95+ACU- of the problems would have been noted and +ADw-br+AD4- reported in the first 3-4 days of a properly done OUTSIDE beta test+ACE- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-From some of what I am seeing here it looks as though Sierra isn't the +ADw-br+AD4- only taking this approach. +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Is it time for some class action law suits to bring the companies back +ADw-br+AD4- to the concept of fixing it BEFORE they ship it? +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4----------- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-BTW, I haven't tried RB2 myself yet, but it looks like it is +ADw-br+AD4- surprisingly good (decent frame rate w/o 3D, minor bugs, mixed +ADw-br+AD4- decision on the flying model) in spite of bad pre-release press, +ADw-br+AD4- opposed to the currently disappointing CPR 1.0 (with its glaring flaws +ADw-br+AD4- +AFs-AI, frame rate+AF0-) and all of the hype that surrounded its release. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- Before you send me UCE, I know what you're thinking... +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Did he complain +ADw-br+AD4- to five or six postmasters last month? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Now, you must ask yourself one +ADw-br+AD4- question: +ACY-quot+ADs-Do I feel lucky?+ACY-quot+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Well, do you, punk? +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p2+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile2+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-John+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content2+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p2+ACIAPg-More Consumer Beta Testing+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-John+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Mon, 15 Dec 1997 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-This is nothing new in the software industry. Look at Quake II for another +ADw-br+AD4- example. It is truly hard to tell if the people involved in these cases knew +ADw-br+AD4- what was wrong or it was an honest mistake. We can thorize as much as +ADw-br+AD4- possible but the bottom line is it happens a lot in the software industry. I +ADw-br+AD4- don't like it as much as others don't But as loing as software sales are not +ADw-br+AD4- significantly hurt it will continue to happen. Go read the interviews on +ADw-br+AD4- www.pcgames.com of the +ACI-So you want to be +ACY-nbsp+ADs-a game developer+ACI-. A couple +ADw-br+AD4- interviews the devlopers talked about releasing a game and then having +ADw-br+AD4- patches. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Thanks +ADw-br+AD4- John +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- +AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- This is a post from the flight-sim group. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Change a few names and +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-it sounds like a perfect description of the MS:CPR situation. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4----------- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-From: pspiranha+AEA-aol.com (PSPiranha) +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Subject: Paid to Beta test+ACE- Is this the future of +ACoAKgAq- companies? +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Date: 14 Dec 1997 06:06:05 GMT +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-For those looking for a financial opportunity this is not the post you +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-are looking for+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-The title of this post is refering to the recent practice of just +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-selling the product and then getting the customers to help test and +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-fix it+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Case in point, Red Baron2. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-I have looked forward to this title for nearly 2 years now. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Since +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-that era of aviation has been my hobby for over 35 years and seeing as +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-RB1 was SOOOO enjoyable the anticipation for this game was positively +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-excruiating as it was delayed time and again. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-But now we have finally gotten the game. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Paid a pretty penny for it +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-too+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-I've been a beta tester on three other flight sims and have seen how +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-quickly a large tester base can find even the most innocuous errors. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Simply because a large number of differant people are doing a variety +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-of differant things on widely diverse hardware. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Most companies get thier testers together, give them the software and +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-then let these people tell them what doesn't work. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Then they fix it +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-all and box the finished product and sell it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-( the ususal +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-compensation to the testers is a free copy of the finished product). +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-However Sierra seems to be doing it with a slight twist. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-They boxed +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-the product( Just in time for Christmas+ACE-) +ACY-nbsp+ADs-and sold it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Now we are +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-testing it and telling them all of the things that don't work so they +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-can make a patch ( which they will be nice enough to D/L to us for +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-free) . From what I have seen on their boards and from my own +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-experience, at least 95+ACU- of the problems would have been noted and +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-reported in the first 3-4 days of a properly done OUTSIDE beta test+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-From some of what I am seeing here it looks as though Sierra isn't the +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-only taking this approach. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Is it time for some class action law suits to bring the companies back +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-to the concept of fixing it BEFORE they ship it? +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4----------- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- BTW, I haven't tried RB2 myself yet, but it looks like it is +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-surprisingly good (decent frame rate w/o 3D, minor bugs, mixed +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-decision on the flying model) in spite of bad pre-release press, +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-opposed to the currently disappointing CPR 1.0 (with its glaring flaws +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4AWw-AI, frame rate+AF0-) and all of the hype that surrounded its release. +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Jeff Vincent +ACY-nbsp+ADs-mailto:jvincent+AEA-wizvax.net +ACY-nbsp+ADs-http://www.racesimcentral.net/+ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-Before you send me UCE, I know what you're thinking... +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Did he complain +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-to five or six postmasters last month? +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Now, you must ask yourself one +ADw-br+AD4- +AD4-question: +ACI-Do I feel lucky?+ACI- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Well, do you, punk? +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p3+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile3+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Doug Bur+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content3+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p3+ACIAPg-More Consumer Beta Testing+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Doug Bur+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- This is nothing new in the software industry. Look at Quake II for another +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- example. It is truly hard to tell if the people involved in these cases knew +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- what was wrong or it was an honest mistake. We can thorize as much as +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- possible but the bottom line is it happens a lot in the software industry. I +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- don't like it as much as others don't But as loing as software sales are not +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- significantly hurt it will continue to happen. Go read the interviews on +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- www.pcgames.com of the +ACI-So you want to be +ACY-nbsp+ADs-a game developer+ACI-. A couple +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- interviews the devlopers talked about releasing a game and then having +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- patches. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Well I have to reply regarding Quake2 ... +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'm not the most demanding +ADw-br+AD4- Quake player, but Quake2 worked for me out of the box, first time. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The +ADw-br+AD4- frame rate is good. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The graphics are beautiful. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'm +ACoAKgAq-ed. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-And I +ADw-br+AD4- have yet to find any serious bugs that eliminate game play. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Let me compare that with MS:CPR ... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I already returned CPR ... it was not playable, at least on my system. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Doug +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-p.s. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I am NOT denying that Q2 has bugs ... but unless you have it, you +ADw-br+AD4- won't appreciate how much more +ACY-quot+ADs-done+ACY-quot+ADs- it is than CPR ... +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p4+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile4+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Barton Spencer Brow+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content4+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p4+ACIAPg-More Consumer Beta Testing+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Barton Spencer Brow+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-Thanks for the excellent post (and re-post), Jeff. Although this concept +ADw-br+AD4- of shoving a product out the door +ACo-well+ACo- before its time may be nothing +ADw-br+AD4- new in the software industry, it stank, it has always stunk, it will +ADw-br+AD4- always stink, and it stinks now+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Thanks again for the perspective... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Bart +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p5+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile5+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Grey Knig+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content5+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p5+ACIAPg-More Consumer Beta Testing+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Grey Knig+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Wed, 17 Dec 1997 04:00:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-I agree entirely. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I didn't see the original posting so I don't know what product you +ADw-br+AD4- were refering to. 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