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Thu, 06 Jan 2022 19:32:40 --+AD4APA-h1 class+AD0AIg-linkback+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIg-https://rec-autos-simulators.net/+ACIAPg-rec.autos.simulators+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h1+AD4- +ADw-h2 class+AD0AIg-topic-title+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo+ADw-/h2+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-action-bar top+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-pagination+ACIAPg- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p1+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile1+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-John VanAntwe+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content1+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p1+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-John VanAntwe+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Sun, 25 Sep 1994 08:25:52+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-I got the demo today and loaded it on a Pentium and a 386-25DX for comparison. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I was able to get a joystick to work on either machine, as has been reported +ADw-br+AD4- by others. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The callibration seemed to work, but the car would not respond to +ADw-br+AD4- inputs on the track. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-The 386 was not really acceptable, even with all the detail off. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-However, I +ADw-br+AD4- do not know if Papyrus is suggesting nothing below a 486. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-However, even with +ADw-br+AD4- the slow response, I found the driving feel supirior to the old Bill Elliot +ADw-br+AD4- NASCAR game. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-On the Pentium, it ran well with all detail on and I was very impressed with +ADw-br+AD4- the visual +ACY-quot+ADs-feel+ACY-quot+ADs- of the game. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I found the various camera angles very similar +ADw-br+AD4- to the views provided by TV coverage cameras on the replays. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Also, the in car +ADw-br+AD4- view gives you a very good perspective of the track, somthing which the earlier +ADw-br+AD4- NASCAR game lacked. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I was able to consistantly place the car right up on the +ADw-br+AD4- wall upon exiting the turns. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-I am anxious to see how damage is handled in the real game. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I started +ADw-br+AD4- wondering about this when I hit the wall rather hard, skidded nose in hard +ADw-br+AD4- against the wall and suffered no apparent damage either visually or in terms +ADw-br+AD4- of the car performance. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Ignoring the visual, which would be hard to program, +ADw-br+AD4- the car should have minimally suffered one or more flat tires and severe +ADw-br+AD4- handling problems. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-To further test the issue, I ran as nearly perpendicular as +ADw-br+AD4- possible into the +ACM-3 corner wall at between 186 and 188 MPH. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-The only result +ADw-br+AD4- was another long sideways skid and a slow lap time because I had to re-start +ADw-br+AD4- from 0 MPH after the skid. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- John +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p2+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile2+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Henrikki T H+AHs-kk+AHs-n+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content2+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p2+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Henrikki T H+AHs-kk+AHs-n+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Tue, 27 Sep 1994 01:48:37+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4- (snip) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- What do you mean?+ACE-? All I can get is three views by pressing F10:+ACoAKgAq-pit and +ADw-br+AD4- two outside views. Is it possible to change camera views while watching +ADw-br+AD4- a replay? I thought I tried that and couldn't get it working. +ADw-br+AD4- So, what gives? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- Henrikki T. Hakkanen +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-DISCLAIMER: In no event shall I be liable +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- Voice: +358-0-345 5538 +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-my opinions, even if I have been advised of +ADw-br+AD4- Fax: +ACY-nbsp+ADs- don't have one +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- the possibility of such damages. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p3+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile3+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-John VanAntwe+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content3+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p3+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-John VanAntwe+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Tue, 27 Sep 1994 22:38:00+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4- I was referring to the camera views available in the replay mode. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I agree that +ADw-br+AD4- there are only 3 views when you are actually driving (although I have much more +ADw-br+AD4- success when I just drive from inside the car). +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p4+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile4+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Michael Corrig+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content4+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p4+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Michael Corrig+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Tue, 27 Sep 1994 22:38:35+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- (snip) +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-On the Pentium, it ran well with all detail on and I was very impressed with +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-the visual +ACY-quot+ADs-feel+ACY-quot+ADs- of the game. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I found the various camera angles very similar +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-to the views provided by TV coverage cameras on the replays. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Also, the in car +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- What do you mean?+ACE-? All I can get is three views by pressing F10:+ACoAKgAq-pit and +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- two outside views. Is it possible to change camera views while watching +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- a replay? I thought I tried that and couldn't get it working. +ADw-br+AD4- +AHwAJg-gt+ADs- So, what gives? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-To change cameras during replays you have to hit a key (specified in the README), +ADw-br+AD4- you can't click on the buttons. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-In fact, I don't think any of the buttons at the +ADw-br+AD4- bottom of the replay screen work. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Mike Corrigan +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p5+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile5+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-John VanAntwe+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content5+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p5+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-John VanAntwe+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Wed, 28 Sep 1994 02:04:17+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-I finally figured out what my problem was with using the Joystick. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-Not only do +ADw-br+AD4- you have to callibrate the joystick, but you then have to go into +ACY-quot+ADs-Controls+ACY-quot+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- (which is right above callibration) and pick the joystick movements for the +ADw-br+AD4- various actions listed there. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-All-in-all a nice setup, I think. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Once I got the joystick running, I was able to consitently turn in 205 - 210 +ADw-br+AD4- mph laps. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I am now even more impressed with the driving feel of the game. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I +ADw-br+AD4- tried some on-purpose spins and they reacted to steering very realisticly. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-My only concern remains with the handling of damage. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-What the README says and +ADw-br+AD4- what the demo provides are nowhere near the same thing. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p6+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg1+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile6+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-Matthew A. Smi+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content6+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p6+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-Matthew A. Smi+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:23:41+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-My only concern remains with the handling of damage. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-What the README says and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-what the demo provides are nowhere near the same thing. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Maybe you got a different README.TXT --- mine says that the release version +ADw-br+AD4- will have realistic crash damage... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Matt +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-p7+ACI- class+AD0AIg-post has-profile bg2+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-dl class+AD0AIg-postprofile+ACI- id+AD0AIg-profile7+ACIAPg- +ADw-dt class+AD0AIg-has-profile-rank no-avatar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-avatar-container+ACIAPgA8-/div+AD4-John VanAntwe+ADw-/dt+AD4- +ADw-/dl+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-postbody+ACIAPg- +ADw-div id+AD0AIg-post+AF8-content7+ACIAPg- +ADw-h3 class+AD0AIg-first+ACIAPgA8-a href+AD0AIgAj-p7+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/h3+AD4- +ADw-p class+AD0AIg-author+ACIAPg- +ADw-span class+AD0AIg-responsive-hide+ACIAPg-by +ADw-strong+AD4-John VanAntwe+ADw-/strong+AD4- +ACY-raquo+ADs- +ADw-/span+AD4-Wed, 28 Sep 1994 22:24:26+ADw-/p+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-My only concern remains with the handling of damage. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-What the README says and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-what the demo provides are nowhere near the same thing. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-Maybe you got a different README.TXT --- mine says that the release version +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs-will have realistic crash damage... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-I got the same README, I am just wondering why the damage is not recorded in +ADw-br+AD4- the demo the same as in the real game... +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I would think a demo would +ADw-br+AD4- demonstrate all aspects... +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-hr /+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-action-bar bottom+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-pagination+ACIAPg- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-navbar+ACIAPg- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-inner+ACIAPg- +ADw-br/+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-1. +ADw-a href+AD0AIg-http://www.racesimcentral.net/6+AF8-a597bd226bf5e74b+AF8-1.htm+ACIAPg-NASCAR demo, Where??+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/p+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-2. +ADw-a href+AD0AIg-8+AF8-9314887893d66164+AF8-1.html+ACIAPg-Nascar demo is bad+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/p+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-3. +ADw-a href+AD0AIg-8+AF8-563bfa4afa2c46ae+AF8-1.html+ACIAPg-NASCAR Demo+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/p+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-4. +ADw-a href+AD0AIg-8+AF8-8b930baecc177108+AF8-1.html+ACIAPg-Where is NASCAR demo?+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/p+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-5. +ADw-a href+AD0AIg-8+AF8-1bdc45a8d645c9a9+AF8-1.html+ACIAPg-Nascar demo is bad+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/p+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-6. +ADw-a href+AD0AIg-8+AF8-28795fd087a67af1+AF8-1.html+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo - problems?+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/p+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-7. +ADw-a href+AD0AIg-8+AF8-32fb6c5e67afa865+AF8-1.html+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo - Help Please?+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/p+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-8. +ADw-a href+AD0AIg-8+AF8-26cd282812dd1745+AF8-1.html+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/p+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-9. +ADw-a href+AD0AIg-8+AF8-62b24a381d74ebf3+AF8-1.html+ACIAPg-Nascar Demo, fun but not acurate.+ADw-/a+AD4APA-/p+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-spacedbox+ACIAPgA8-div class+AD0AIg-adbox+ACIAPg- +ADwAIQ--- Large Footer --+AD4- +ADw-ins class+AD0AIg-adsbygoogle+ACI- style+AD0AIg-display:block+ACI- data-ad-client+AD0AIg-ca-pub-4601021536021499+ACI- data-ad-slot+AD0AIg-8598264538+ACI- data-ad-format+AD0AIg-auto+ACI- data-full-width-responsive+AD0AIg-true+ACIAPgA8-/ins+AD4- +ADw-script type+AD0-'text/javascript'+AD4- (function() +AHs- var done +AD0- false+ADs- var script +AD0- document.createElement('script')+ADs- script.async +AD0- true+ADs- script.type +AD0- 'text/javascript'+ADs- script.src +AD0- '//pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/js/adsbygoogle.js'+ADs- var createScript +AD0- setTimeout( function()+AHs- document.getElementsByTagName('HEAD').item(0).appendChild(script)+ADs- +AH0-, 400 )+ADs- script.onreadystatechange +AD0- script.onload +AD0- function(e) +AHs- if (+ACE-done +ACYAJg- (+ACE-this.readyState +AHwAfA- this.readyState +AD0APQ- 'loaded' +AHwAfA- this.readyState +AD0APQ- 'complete')) +AHs- (adsbygoogle +AD0- window.adsbygoogle +AHwAfA- +AFsAXQ-).push(+AHsAfQ-)+ADs- +AH0- +AH0AOw- +AH0-)()+ADs- +ADw-/script+AD4- +ADw-/div+AD4APA-/div+AD4- +ADw-div style+AD0AIg-margin:0 auto+ADs-clear:both+ADs-max-width:990px+ADs-text-align:center+ADs-padding:20px+ADsAIgA+-rec.autos.simulators is a usenet newsgroup formed in December, 1993. 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