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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Good or not, finally I have that MSFFWheel. +ADw-br+AD4- Now I clearly understand, what Alison meant in +ACY-quot+ADs-notchy, grindy feel+ACY-quot+ADs-. +ADw-br+AD4- Have anyone solved it ? And how to remove the cover of the wheel safely ? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Thank you. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-PS. Generally, I am not satisfied with the MSFF. Moving the force-feedback +ADw-br+AD4- aside, Nascar Pro had better feel and was almost REAL to touch. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-quot+ADs-NOFORCE+ACY-quot+ADs- zone at center, when with some small steering corrections you can +ADw-br+AD4- feel something like the stops about 5 degrees from center.And weakening +ADw-br+AD4- the force settings makes this just worse - it grows.. +ADw-br+AD4- The wheel is too loud ( especially in CMR ), and my wife Alice sleeps worse +ADw-br+AD4- last days. +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPgA8-p+AD4-lol, I am completely opposite Nascar pro is a toy to me, so the msff is way +ADw-br+AD4- better than nascar pro, oh and my nascar pro broke after 2 months, I had +ADw-br+AD4- msff ever since it came out without any problems. The msff is definitely +ADw-br+AD4- built a whole lot better than the flimsy pro wheel +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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+ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- I've been using a MSFF wheel since the 1.1 patch came out for gpl. Yes +ADw-br+AD4- it has a grindy feel, but you quickly get use to it. I found it a huge +ADw-br+AD4- improvement over the bungie cord that my T2 used. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- If you don't like the MSFF,I would suggest a Logitec wheel. +ADw-br+AD4- However,Alison uses them both,and is slowly coming to terms with the MSFF +ADw-br+AD4- wheel. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Joel Willstein +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Actually, I like MSFF, it has many advantages than any other wheel, but it's +ADw-br+AD4- not the best.And any other wheel is not the best, even Logi.( I mean its +ADw-br+AD4- pedals, pots..) +ADw-br+AD4- What I really don't like is some of its issues, that I want to fix myself if +ADw-br+AD4- possible. MSFF isn't better than Nascar Pro, of course, now it's the best +ADw-br+AD4- wheel I ever raced and I won't change it to Logitech blindly, first I have +ADw-br+AD4- to try Logi, then sell one of them . +ADw-br+AD4- MSFF is great, but there are 3 thing that dissapoint me now : +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 1. +ACY-quot+ADs-Grindy feel+ACY-quot+ADs- - maybe I'll get use to it, sure. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 2. Impossibility to setup the forse and return to center strenght in +ADw-br+AD4- control panel not in fixed values - I believe in new version of software. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 3. And the most serious I dislike is that null zone at center , when +ADw-br+AD4- moving the wheel lightly first meets no interference,then suddently you hit +ADw-br+AD4- the barrier, light but incomfortable .Nascar Pro have a +ACoAKgAq- cord so the +ADw-br+AD4- strenght increases gently from nothing too full at max lock. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Thanks for reply. +ADw-br+AD4- Warren +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Good or not, finally I have that MSFFWheel. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- Now I clearly understand, what Alison meant in +ACY-quot+ADs-notchy, grindy feel+ACY-quot+ADs-. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- Have anyone solved it ? And how to remove the cover of the wheel safely +ADw-br+AD4- ? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- Thank you. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- PS. Generally, I am not satisfied with the MSFF. Moving the +ADw-br+AD4- force-feedback +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- aside, Nascar Pro had better feel and was almost REAL to touch. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-quot+ADs-NOFORCE+ACY-quot+ADs- zone at center, when with some small steering corrections you +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- can +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- feel something like the stops about 5 degrees from center.And +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- weakening +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- the force settings makes this just worse - it grows.. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- The wheel is too loud ( especially in CMR ), and my wife Alice sleeps +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- worse +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- last days. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- I've been using a MSFF wheel since the 1.1 patch came out for gpl. +ADw-br+AD4- Yes +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- it has a grindy feel, but you quickly get use to it. I found it a huge +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- improvement over the bungie cord that my T2 used. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- If you don't like the MSFF,I would suggest a Logitec wheel. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- However,Alison uses them both,and is slowly coming to terms with the MSFF +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- wheel. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Joel Willstein +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Actually, I like MSFF, it has many advantages than any other wheel, but it's +ADw-br+AD4- not the best.And any other wheel is not the best, even Logi.( I mean its +ADw-br+AD4- pedals, pots..) +ADw-br+AD4- What I really don't like is some of its issues, that I want to fix myself if +ADw-br+AD4- possible. MSFF isn't better than Nascar Pro, of course, now it's the best +ADw-br+AD4- wheel I ever raced and I won't change it to Logitech blindly, first I have +ADw-br+AD4- to try Logi, then sell one of them . +ADw-br+AD4- MSFF is great, but there are 3 thing that dissapoint me now : +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 1. +ACY-quot+ADs-Grindy feel+ACY-quot+ADs- - maybe I'll get use to it, sure. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 2. Impossibility to setup the forse and return to center strenght in +ADw-br+AD4- control panel not in fixed values - I believe in new version of software. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 3. And the most serious I dislike is that null zone at center , when +ADw-br+AD4- moving the wheel lightly first meets no interference,then suddently you hit +ADw-br+AD4- the barrier, light but incomfortable .Nascar Pro have a +ACoAKgAq- cord so the +ADw-br+AD4- strenght increases gently from nothing too full at max lock. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4APA-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPgAm-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- I've been using a MSFF wheel since the 1.1 patch came out for gpl. +ADw-br+AD4- Yes +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- it has a grindy feel, but you quickly get use to it. I found it a huge +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- improvement over the bungie cord that my T2 used. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- If you don't like the MSFF,I would suggest a Logitec wheel. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- However,Alison uses them both,and is slowly coming to terms with the MSFF +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- wheel. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Joel Willstein +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Actually, I like MSFF, it has many advantages than any other wheel, but it's +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- not the best.And any other wheel is not the best, even Logi.( I mean its +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- pedals, pots..) +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- What I really don't like is some of its issues, that I want to fix myself if +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- possible. MSFF isn't better than Nascar Pro, of course, now it's the best +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- wheel I ever raced and I won't change it to Logitech blindly, first I have +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- to try Logi, then sell one of them . +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- MSFF is great, but there are 3 thing that dissapoint me now : +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 1. +ACY-quot+ADs-Grindy feel+ACY-quot+ADs- - maybe I'll get use to it, sure. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 2. Impossibility to setup the forse and return to center strenght in +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- control panel not in fixed values - I believe in new version of software. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 3. And the most serious I dislike is that null zone at center , when +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- moving the wheel lightly first meets no interference,then suddently you hit +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- the barrier, light but incomfortable .Nascar Pro have a +ACoAKgAq- cord so the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- strenght increases gently from nothing too full at max lock. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-Many good points. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Let me twist it around and do the +ACY-quot+ADs-3 things that I like with the MSFF+ACY-quot+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-1. It's solid engineering. +ADw-br+AD4- 2. The angle of the wheel and the height of it when clamped to my desk give me +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-a more car-like feeling. Many other wheels are standing on the desk and +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-have a angle so it feels like driving a bus. +ADw-br+AD4- 3. The profiler. I find it so easy to adjust to every game that are able to +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-run in a windows dos-box (not N2 that is, which is the only game it doesn't +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-work with) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Ahh, i really felt good to be positive once in a while :) Have a great weekend +ADw-br+AD4- everybody. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- Olav K. Malmin +ADw-br+AD4- remove spam when replying +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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: MSFF is great, but there are 3 thing that dissapoint me now : +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-: +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 1. +ACY-quot+ADs-Grindy feel+ACY-quot+ADs- - maybe I'll get use to it, sure. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- I got used to it. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-First few times it was weird - like you were +ADw-br+AD4- steering from +ACY-quot+ADs-notch+ACY-quot+ADs- to +ACY-quot+ADs-notch+ACY-quot+ADs- - but after a while you get the hang. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-: +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 2. Impossibility to setup the forse and return to center strenght in +ADw-br+AD4- : control panel not in fixed values - I believe in new version of software. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- Doesn't bother me. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-: +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 3. And the most serious I dislike is that null zone at center , when +ADw-br+AD4- : moving the wheel lightly first meets no interference,then suddently you hit +ADw-br+AD4- : the barrier, light but incomfortable .Nascar Pro have a +ACoAKgAq- cord so the +ADw-br+AD4- : strenght increases gently from nothing too full at max lock. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- This bothers me too - also even just with return to center it seems to +ADw-br+AD4- have some lag. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It may be my imagination but it seems like it could be +ADw-br+AD4- getting worse too. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-I don't know for sure. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It's bad even if you've just +ADw-br+AD4- got return to center on and you waggle the wheel. +ACY-nbsp+ADs-It's like it takes +ADw-br+AD4- the wheel some time to +ACY-quot+ADs-catch up+ACY-quot+ADs- - annoying. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4--- +ADw-br+AD4- Richard G. Clegg +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Only the mind is waving +ADw-br+AD4- Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York. +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-If you're using MSFF in GPL, Put this line to your core.ini file to +AFs- joy +AF0- +ADw-br+AD4- section, and I assure you there is no null zone. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-force+AF8-feedback+AF8-latency +AD0- 0.00001 +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAOw- force feedback latency (secs) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-PS. +AF4- I use that setting myself. Here is my complete settings for MSFF with +ADw-br+AD4- GPL: +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-allow+AF8-force+AF8-feedback +AD0- 1 +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADs- Use FF if device has it +ADw-br+AD4- force+AF8-feedback+AF8-damping +AD0- 001.000000 +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADs- force feedback damping +ADw-br+AD4- coefficient +ADw-br+AD4- force+AF8-feedback+AF8-latency +AD0- 0.00001 +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAOw- force feedback latency (secs) +ADw-br+AD4- max+AF8-steering+AF8-torque +AD0- 0025.000000 +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADs- steering torque in N+ACo-in giving +ADw-br+AD4- max device force +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-....and Sidewinder panel: +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Forcestrength to: low +ADw-br+AD4- Centering force to none. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-In games without FF(or poor FF), I agree that Nascar Pro is better(except +ADw-br+AD4- the pots...). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Actually, I like MSFF, it has many advantages than any other wheel, but it's +ADw-br+AD4- not the best.And any other wheel is not the best, even Logi.( I mean its +ADw-br+AD4- pedals, pots..) +ADw-br+AD4- What I really don't like is some of its issues, that I want to fix myself if +ADw-br+AD4- possible. MSFF isn't better than Nascar Pro, of course, now it's the best +ADw-br+AD4- wheel I ever raced and I won't change it to Logitech blindly, first I have +ADw-br+AD4- to try Logi, then sell one of them . +ADw-br+AD4- MSFF is great, but there are 3 thing that dissapoint me now : +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 1. +ACY-quot+ADs-Grindy feel+ACY-quot+ADs- - maybe I'll get use to it, sure. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 2. Impossibility to setup the forse and return to center strenght in +ADw-br+AD4- control panel not in fixed values - I believe in new version of software. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- 3. And the most serious I dislike is that null zone at center , when +ADw-br+AD4- moving the wheel lightly first meets no interference,then suddently you hit +ADw-br+AD4- the barrier, light but incomfortable .Nascar Pro have a +ACoAKgAq- cord so the +ADw-br+AD4- strenght increases gently from nothing too full at max lock. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Thanks for reply. +ADw-br+AD4- Warren +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
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+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- Good or not, finally I have that MSFFWheel. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- Now I clearly understand, what Alison meant in +ACY-quot+ADs-notchy, grindy feel+ACY-quot+ADs-. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- Have anyone solved it ? And how to remove the cover of the wheel safely +ADw-br+AD4- ? +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- Thank you. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- PS. Generally, I am not satisfied with the MSFF. Moving the +ADw-br+AD4- force-feedback +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- aside, Nascar Pro had better feel and was almost REAL to touch. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-quot+ADs-NOFORCE+ACY-quot+ADs- zone at center, when with some small steering corrections you +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- can +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- feel something like the stops about 5 degrees from center.And +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- weakening +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- the force settings makes this just worse - it grows.. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- The wheel is too loud ( especially in CMR ), and my wife Alice sleeps +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- worse +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- last days. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- I've been using a MSFF wheel since the 1.1 patch came out for gpl. +ADw-br+AD4- Yes +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- it has a grindy feel, but you quickly get use to it. I found it a huge +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- improvement over the bungie cord that my T2 used. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- If you don't like the MSFF,I would suggest a Logitec wheel. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- However,Alison uses them both,and is slowly coming to terms with the MSFF +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- wheel. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Joel Willstein +ADw-br+AD4-
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+ADw-div class+AD0AIg-content+ACIAPg-Thank everybody who replied, and sorry for multiple posts - sometimes my +ADw-br+AD4- provider works VERY strange, so you sure that posting failed and try to post +ADw-br+AD4- again several times. And then anywhere you sure that post failed, cos there +ADw-br+AD4- is no message in NG, you spit ,you +ACMAJABeACUAJA- , and next day you see all of them +ADw-br+AD4- and get crimson. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Thank you, Marko,cannot wait til I get home from office to try these +ADw-br+AD4- settings. Chair is burning. +ADw-br+AD4- I tried to experiment with different settings based on many advices from the +ADw-br+AD4- Web, but couldn't choose which of them comforts me the best. +ADw-br+AD4- As I feel that setting FF to better feel of grip decreases wheel reaction of +ADw-br+AD4- gravel, bumps etc. and vice versa. Neither is good. I know that if I want to +ADw-br+AD4- make a fast lap......I want both fish and ... Blah-blah-blah... +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-Have a best times+ACE- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-div class+AD0AIg-gQuote+ACIAPgAm-gt+ADs- If you're using MSFF in GPL, Put this line to your core.ini file to +ADw-br+AD4- +AFs- joy +AF0- +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- section, and I assure you there is no null zone. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- force+AF8-feedback+AF8-latency +AD0- 0.00001 +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAOw- force feedback latency (secs) +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- PS. +AF4- I use that setting myself. Here is my complete settings for MSFF +ADw-br+AD4- with +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- GPL: +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- allow+AF8-force+AF8-feedback +AD0- 1 +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADs- Use FF if device has it +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- force+AF8-feedback+AF8-damping +AD0- 001.000000 +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADs- force feedback damping +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- coefficient +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- force+AF8-feedback+AF8-latency +AD0- 0.00001 +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAOw- force feedback latency (secs) +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- max+AF8-steering+AF8-torque +AD0- 0025.000000 +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADs- steering torque in N+ACo-in giving +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- max device force +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- ....and Sidewinder panel: +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- Forcestrength to: low +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- Centering force to none. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- In games without FF(or poor FF), I agree that Nascar Pro is better(except +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- the pots...). +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4-
+ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-MSFF is great, but there are 3 thing that dissapoint me now : +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-p+AD4AJg-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-1. +ACY-quot+ADs-Grindy feel+ACY-quot+ADs- - maybe I'll get use to it, sure. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-2. Impossibility to setup the forse and return to center strenght in +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-control panel not in fixed values - I believe in new version of software. +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-nbsp+ADs-3. And the most serious I dislike is that null zone at center , when +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-moving the wheel lightly first meets no interference,then suddently you +ADw-br+AD4- hit +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-the barrier, light but incomfortable .Nascar Pro have a +ACoAKgAq- cord so +ADw-br+AD4- the +ADw-br+AD4- +ACY-gt+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-strenght increases gently from nothing too full at max lock. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-br+AD4APA-/div+AD4APA-/div+AD4-
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